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DanH SW2 21 Sep 18 4.37pm | |
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How has a thread about innocent Muslims being targeted and run down turned into an anti-Muslim thread? And you lot wonder why the R word gets used a lot on here.
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 21 Sep 18 4.43pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
How has a thread about innocent Muslims being targeted and run down turned into an anti-Muslim thread? And you lot wonder why the R word gets used a lot on here. Islam is not a race.
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Stirlingsays 21 Sep 18 4.47pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
How has a thread about innocent Muslims being targeted and run down turned into an anti-Muslim thread? And you lot wonder why the R word gets used a lot on here. It's called the far left. It's what they do.
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Stirlingsays 21 Sep 18 4.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Anyone who drives at innocent people in a car is scum. We have grown used to different terminology used for such events. Apparently, these days, it is only a 'hate crime' if the perpetrators are White and it is only terrorism if they are Muslim.
Funny....you don't find the far left over there calling them racists do you. No, they are here, living in safe environments most of them calling some of the most statistically civilised peoples in the world 'racists'. Because they don't know a peanut from a cannon ball.
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serial thriller The Promised Land 21 Sep 18 5.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
When you import the the third world, you get the third world. British Muslims - I assume this is who you're referring to - weren't 'imported'. Many from the large British-pakistani community, for instance, were granted citizenship after the region they had called home for hundreds of years was colonised violently. After a hasty exit, a partition was left which lead to one of the biggest human migrations in history. By us. Before we arrived in India, the Moghol Empire was enormous, and dwarfed the wealth we possessed by some margin. We left a region war torn, impoverished and chaotic. The British Syrian community, which makes up a lot of more recent migration, can make a similar claim. Their land has historically been a very prosperous one. It is one of the earliest sites of civilisation, a major territory under the Ottomans, and after French occupation was authoritarian yes, but by no means 'third world' under the Assad dynasty. It is only since our invasion that the country has been turned in to a wasteland, and millions have been forced to flee in search of refuge. We have taken in, per capita, the fewest Syrian refugees in Europe. All of this shouldn't take away from the staggering fact that your comment is IN reference to an act of terror committed by WHITE ENGLISH PEOPLE. But it should serve to inform us of the staggering depths of stupidity your post manages to fall to. We on the left are often accused of terrorist apologism but if this thread - and particularly this comment - is not apology for the attempted murder of innocent citizens I don't know what is. We have Muslims who use this site and follow Palace, as I'm sure you know. I think an apology to them is in order. Edited by serial thriller (21 Sep 2018 5.12pm) Edited by serial thriller (21 Sep 2018 5.16pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Sep 18 5.29pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
British Muslims - I assume this is who you're referring to - weren't 'imported'. The large pakistani community were granted citizenship after the region they had called home for hundreds of years was colonised violently, before we made a hasty exit, and left a partition which lead to one of the biggest human migrations in history. By us. Before we arrived in India, the Mutual Empire was enormous, and dwarfed the wealth we possessed by some margin. We left a region war torn, impoverished and chaotic. The British Syrian community, which makes up a lot of more recent migration, can make a similar claim. Their land has historically been a very prosperous one. It is one of the earliest sites of civilisation, a major territory under the Ottomans, and after French occupation was authoritarian yes, but by no means 'third world' under the Assad dynasty. It is only since our invasion that the country has been turned in to a wasteland, and millions have been forced to flee in search of refuge. We have taken in, per capita, the fewest Syrian refugees in Europe. All of this shouldn't take away from the staggering fact that your comment is IN reference to an act of terror committed by WHITE ENGLISH PEOPLE. But it should serve to inform us of the staggering depths of stupidity which your post manages to fall to. We on the left are often accused of terrorist apologism but if this thread - and particularly this comment - is not apology for the attempted murder of innocent citizens I don't know what is. We have Muslims who use this site and follow Palace, as I'm sure you know. I think an apology to them is in order. Edited by serial thriller (21 Sep 2018 5.12pm) Don't remember you starting a thread when dozens were mown down in France. I don't expect you to understand. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Sep 2018 5.31pm)
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serial thriller The Promised Land 21 Sep 18 5.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Don't remember you starting a thread when dozens were mown down in France. I don't expect you to understand. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Sep 2018 5.31pm) One thing I will never understand is people's instinctive defence of British atrocities abroad. It comes from such a superficial reading of history, and one which is peddled and parroted by this country's establishment. Go back to the early 20th century and Hindus would very much have been condemned and vilified like you do to Muslims. 30 years ago it was people like myself, the Irish. Those who condemn without learning will do so towards whoever they're told to, those who attempt to learn will begin to empathise.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Sep 18 6.05pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
One thing I will never understand is people's instinctive defence of British atrocities abroad. It comes from such a superficial reading of history, and one which is peddled and parroted by this country's establishment. Go back to the early 20th century and Hindus would very much have been condemned and vilified like you do to Muslims. 30 years ago it was people like myself, the Irish. Those who condemn without learning will do so towards whoever they're told to, those who attempt to learn will begin to empathise. Ireland were part of the UK but, of course, took no part in the Empire. Historical arguments can be turned around in many ways. There is no point in having guilt for being English. Britain did good and bad in the world; probably like any country at some point in time. Hardly means people have to accept things they don't like or they find incompatible with their values just because of some perceived 'evil' of the past. By this logic all Germans should be wearing sack cloth and ashes whilst whipping themselves senseless.
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serial thriller The Promised Land 21 Sep 18 6.10pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Ireland were part of the UK but, of course, took no part in the Empire. Historical arguments can be turned around in many ways. There is no point in having guilt for being English. Britain did good and bad in the world; probably like any country at some point in time. Hardly means people have to accept things they don't like or they find incompatible with their values just because of some perceived 'evil' of the past. By this logic all Germans should be wearing sack cloth and ashes whilst whipping themselves senseless. Well yes, but this argument all arose from the comment by Penge. I was merely pointing out the irony of dismissing countries as 'third world' when we played such an active role in their recent history.
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Stirlingsays 21 Sep 18 6.23pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
All of this shouldn't take away from the staggering fact that your comment is IN reference to an act of terror committed by WHITE ENGLISH PEOPLE. But it should serve to inform us of the staggering depths of stupidity your post manages to fall to. We on the left are often accused of terrorist apologism but if this thread - and particularly this comment - is not apology for the attempted murder of innocent citizens I don't know what is. We have Muslims who use this site and follow Palace, as I'm sure you know. I think an apology to them is in order. Edited by serial thriller (21 Sep 2018 5.12pm) Edited by serial thriller (21 Sep 2018 5.16pm)
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Stirlingsays 21 Sep 18 6.25pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Ireland were part of the UK but, of course, took no part in the Empire. Historical arguments can be turned around in many ways. There is no point in having guilt for being English. Britain did good and bad in the world; probably like any country at some point in time. Hardly means people have to accept things they don't like or they find incompatible with their values just because of some perceived 'evil' of the past. By this logic all Germans should be wearing sack cloth and ashes whilst whipping themselves senseless. A lot of Irish people were involved in the British empire and especially in our wars. But I take your point about the Irish state itself. Ireland and Britain are need I say....heavily connected historically.....we have several Irish regiments....great fighting units. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Sep 2018 6.26pm)
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Stirlingsays 21 Sep 18 6.28pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Well yes, but this argument all arose from the comment by Penge. I was merely pointing out the irony of dismissing countries as 'third world' when we played such an active role in their recent history.
Statistically I can rip you to sheds over it. The countries we were involved with have done better than those who weren't in pretty much every metric.
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