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spartakev2 Flag Anerley 27 Aug 18 11.50am Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Blimey, we loose 2 games on the trot, one against a very good liverpool, and one that we should have been 2=0 up af half time, then we're beaten by a freak goal, and suddenly we need to change the formation.
What we need is too bring in the players we bought. We need more creativity through told middle - meyer, we need a big strong box to box midfielder - Kouyate, and most if all we need a centre forward who csn put thd ball in the back of thd bet - Ayew.
Personally I think if you put thsee 3 into our formation, well have one hell of z team

 

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Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 27 Aug 18 12.14pm Send a Private Message to Booted Eagle Add Booted Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2

Blimey, we loose 2 games on the trot, one against a very good liverpool, and one that we should have been 2=0 up af half time, then we're beaten by a freak goal, and suddenly we need to change the formation.
What we need is too bring in the players we bought. We need more creativity through told middle - meyer, we need a big strong box to box midfielder - Kouyate, and most if all we need a centre forward who csn put thd ball in the back of thd bet - Ayew.
Personally I think if you put thsee 3 into our formation, well have one hell of z team

Bang on, decent striker 1-0 in the 1st half and the Hornets would of had to start thinking. I'm really hoping that Tekkers and Roy isn't another Puncheon and Pards scenario.

 


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bifffabazz Flag Highworth, Wiltshire 29 Aug 18 6.53am Send a Private Message to bifffabazz Add bifffabazz as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

almost all our best performances last season came with Wilf and Andros up front but we seem to have forgotten this. we have enough midfield options to revert to this.

^^^
This...with bells on. Brighton, Leicester et al.

 


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Xchurch Eagle Flag Christchurch 29 Aug 18 10.11am Send a Private Message to Xchurch Eagle Add Xchurch Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by SamCPFC17

Back from the game - really didn't think we were too bad, just far too profligate in front of goal.
However, I'm really beginning to think that with Meyer & Kouyate signed (and Loftus-Cheek no longer around), we should switch back to a 4-3-3.
Having Loftus-Cheek out on the left last season meant that we had a really potent attacking threat which Schlupp, as hard as he does work, just can't provide. We looked far more dangerous when we did eventually switch to a 4-3-3 for the last 20 mins, with Zaha & Townsend off Benteke, and Meyer, Luka & Macca in the middle - maybe we should start like this next week against the Saints?

Agree the change of formation allowed us to bring Meyer into the fold who took up a similar position how Punch used to. I think we actually wen 4-2-3-1, which for me is how we should start again on Saturday.

GK Hennesey
RB AWB
CB Sakho
CB Kelly
LB PVA
CM Mili
CM Macca
LW Townsend
AMC Meyer
RW Zaha
CF Benteke


 


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Mstrobez Flag 29 Aug 18 10.34am Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

I think what people miss in this constant desire for a change of formation, and for Wilf to be back wide, is that Roy’s 442 is an extremely versatile system and often changes throughout the course of a game. The 442 is only rigid in a defensive sense, and I personally think it’s spot on when we’re defending.

The reason Wilf plays as a “forward”, and I use the word “forward” rather than “striker” as he has the freedom to move all accross the front line, is to free him of the shackles of defensive responsibility and allow him to just focus on attacking. This is 100% the right idea when it comes to Wilf, even if he should be drifting wide more often against certain opposition. He had the same issues centrally last year against Watford at home.

How many times last season did we see Townsend start on the right and RLC on the left of the 4. But when we were in attacking scenarios, Townsend advanced into an attacking right winger, Wilf drifted left and RLC shifted more centrally. That was a fundamental premise of Roys system. So effectively in attacks we were playing 4-3-3 a lot of the time anyway.

It’s also the reason I think Meyer should take RLC’s spot in the team and not Cabaye’s. Because in attacks we need him to act as the creative midfielder in the side, as opposed to the defensive engine Cabaye was converted to in his later years.

I think people are getting too bogged down on formations and Wilfs “position”, when the reality is the team and Wilf have the freedom to rotate throughout the game anyway. The problem may be, that in certain games, Wilf isn’t drifting away from the centre often enough. But I for one don’t want to see the days return of Wilf having to track back 50 yards every time the opposition attacks. His days as a defensive winger are over, he’s too good for his game to to be restricted by rigidness and defensive responsibility. He’s our main man.

Edited by Mstrobez (29 Aug 2018 10.37am)

 


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steven_t92 Flag Orpington 29 Aug 18 11.21am Send a Private Message to steven_t92 Add steven_t92 as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

I think what people miss in this constant desire for a change of formation, and for Wilf to be back wide, is that Roy’s 442 is an extremely versatile system and often changes throughout the course of a game. The 442 is only rigid in a defensive sense, and I personally think it’s spot on when we’re defending.

The reason Wilf plays as a “forward”, and I use the word “forward” rather than “striker” as he has the freedom to move all accross the front line, is to free him of the shackles of defensive responsibility and allow him to just focus on attacking. This is 100% the right idea when it comes to Wilf, even if he should be drifting wide more often against certain opposition. He had the same issues centrally last year against Watford at home.

How many times last season did we see Townsend start on the right and RLC on the left of the 4. But when we were in attacking scenarios, Townsend advanced into an attacking right winger, Wilf drifted left and RLC shifted more centrally. That was a fundamental premise of Roys system. So effectively in attacks we were playing 4-3-3 a lot of the time anyway.

It’s also the reason I think Meyer should take RLC’s spot in the team and not Cabaye’s. Because in attacks we need him to act as the creative midfielder in the side, as opposed to the defensive engine Cabaye was converted to in his later years.

I think people are getting too bogged down on formations and Wilfs “position”, when the reality is the team and Wilf have the freedom to rotate throughout the game anyway. The problem may be, that in certain games, Wilf isn’t drifting away from the centre often enough. But I for one don’t want to see the days return of Wilf having to track back 50 yards every time the opposition attacks. His days as a defensive winger are over, he’s too good for his game to to be restricted by rigidness and defensive responsibility. He’s our main man.

Edited by Mstrobez (29 Aug 2018 10.37am)

433 or 451, however people choose to view it, gives us a midfielder to cover behind Wilf or Andros anyway. It's still our best formation but Roy won't change it permanently until he's confident with it.

 

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The_postman Flag Forest Row 29 Aug 18 11.26am Send a Private Message to The_postman Add The_postman as a friend

Agreed. Roy likes to deploy two blocks of 4 when defending with the front 2 applying a press. With the ball, Townsend pushes forward effectively making it a front 3. Schlupp stays narrow to keep contact with Luka and Jimmy Mac. The width on the left is provided by PVA bombing forward to provide crosses or link up with Wilf. I think that replacing Schlupp with Meyer will improve our transition from defending to counter-attacking as he has a better passing range and like RLC, he keeps the ball well.

 

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Dan1994 Flag Wallington 29 Aug 18 11.29am Send a Private Message to Dan1994 Add Dan1994 as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

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Bang on. Formations are very fluid during games, especially in attack. They are only rigid in defence, because that's where they need to be for clarity's sake.

 


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PatrickA Flag London 29 Aug 18 1.28pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I agree that Meyer seems most likely to replace Schlupp in a 4-4-2 formation essentially performing in the position that RLC performed last season.
It will be interesting to see how this works as he is a very different player to RLC.
Meyer tends to shift the ball quickly and looks a neat passer of the ball.
RLC is a good at beating players and a powerful runner who created space for Wilf and PVA through drawing defenders to him when in possession.
Hopefully in time they’ll work it out and if will be just as successful as when RLC played.


 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 29 Aug 18 1.38pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

I agree that Meyer seems most likely to replace Schlupp in a 4-4-2 formation essentially performing in the position that RLC performed last season.
It will be interesting to see how this works as he is a very different player to RLC.
Meyer tends to shift the ball quickly and looks a neat passer of the ball.
RLC is a good at beating players and a powerful runner who created space for Wilf and PVA through drawing defenders to him when in possession.
Hopefully in time they’ll work it out and if will be just as successful as when RLC played.


There was also a lot of neat triangles in tight areas of the opposition third which I expect Meyer to feel comfortable in with his nicely weighted passes and control.

 


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Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 29 Aug 18 6.42pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

Originally posted by Chubskip

Our problem still rests with our inability to keep regular clean sheets. We remain weak down our right side without WBS and Tompkins. We need to reinforce the defence as we seem to lose defenders to injury to regularly. Ward and Kelly playing together weaken our defence as they are not good enough to start. So changing the system may not be sufficient if we defend as poorly as we did for their two goals Sunday.

few teams in the PL keep what I'd call regular clean sheets. even man city conceded about 0.7 goals a game last year.
And generally only 1 at a time.

 


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