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 Palace Hero  Melbourne, Australia 07 Aug 18 11.38am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Are you doing anything to enact one?
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Stirlingsays  07 Aug 18 11.46am |
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Originally posted by Palace Hero
Are you doing anything to enact one? What, over and above highlighting the need for one? Why would you ask that? These are events happening in the US. As for here, I have written to my MP recently over my concerns about MPs pushing for Internet censorship. I've also recently joined the only party who seems interested in free speech anymore, Ukip. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Aug 2018 11.47am)
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| new_in_Wait Lewisham 07 Aug 18 11.59am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Don't get me started on 'hate speech rules'. In the political sphere these are applied through a biased lens and they are an affront to free speech anyway. I want to see these companies pay for this.......this is meddling in elections. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Aug 2018 9.54am) Alex J claimed the families of the teens killed in the latest Florida school shooting are actors. And that their goal is to take guns away. Consequently, gun nuts have sent threats to these families. Some of them are now living in hiding - and they're the ones who've lost kids! Jones directly incited violence. Plus Apple, YT etc. do not have an obligation to host AJ. They just don't. AJ has a website, that was not taken down. He is not entitled to use content dissemination platforms. A friend's music video was taken down by YT because it features a (fake) erection and a dog looking at it. Their site, their rules. It's like saying Sainsbury's HAVE TO SELL Onken yogurt. They don't have to. They chose to. And they can stop at any time.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Aug 18 12.12pm |
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Originally posted by new_in_Wait
Alex J claimed the families of the teens killed in the latest Florida school shooting are actors. And that their goal is to take guns away. Consequently, gun nuts have sent threats to these families. Some of them are now living in hiding - and they're the ones who've lost kids! Jones directly incited violence. Plus Apple, YT etc. do not have an obligation to host AJ. They just don't. AJ has a website, that was not taken down. He is not entitled to use content dissemination platforms. A friend's music video was taken down by YT because it features a (fake) erection and a dog looking at it. Their site, their rules. It's like saying Sainsbury's HAVE TO SELL Onken yogurt. They don't have to. They chose to. And they can stop at any time. These companies are de facto monopolies and all have the same politics and this is a political action. I've already referred to Jones in terms of conspiracies. Jones didn't incite violence against these families that's rubbish. However he deserves significant criticism for believing these ideas and promoting them.....which he has rightly received....and which produced an apology. There are plenty of instances of people on the left partaking in outrageous comments and actions and not being censored in any way. Hence this focus upon Alex Jones is completely politically obvious and transparent.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 07 Aug 18 12.14pm |
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First of all, Facebook, Google, YouTube et al are left-wing organisations based in their San Fran liberal utopia of Silicon Valley so no surprise there is bias. Mark Zuckerburg admitted as much to Congress recently. Twitter has recently been caught 'shadow banning' people on the right also. Twitter failed to suspend or ban the racist Sarah Jeong who has just been appointed to the editorial board of the New York Times. Isn't this hate speech on their own platform? [Tweet Link]
When the black Candace Owens did the same tweet a couple of days ago and swapped out "white" for "Jewish" as an experiment she was instantly suspended by Twitter. Double standards for the conservative (She was later re-instated after a backlash). But I believe mainstream media is really worried they are losing their grip they've had for the last century and want to block independent outlets like Info Wars (especially as it's a conservative channel) because they are stealing their audience. Edited by Penge Eagle (07 Aug 2018 12.23pm)
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| Ulysses 07 Aug 18 12.17pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I want to see these companies pay for this.......this is meddling in elections. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Aug 2018 9.54am)
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| Stirlingsays 07 Aug 18 12.23pm |
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Originally posted by Ulysses
These companies are monopolies if you want full access to subscriptions for example. I haven't decided how I'm going to respond to this.
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| Beanyboysmd 07 Aug 18 12.44pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Infowars has been banned from Apple, Facebook, Youtube and Spotify, all within a 12 hour timeframe that strongly suggests some soft of media collusion. To me this appears to be an attempt to influence the mid term elections by shutting off one of the main Trump cheerleaders and attack dogs on the democratic media. Also this is also a plain old attack on free speech and also an anti trust issue with media companies ganging together to ban an ideological competitor. Now I'm no supporter of Alex Jones.....mainly over the 'Sandy Hook' and '9/11' comments. I agree with all the criticism he received for that. However, he has the right to an opinion and the right to air it.
He has the righr to an opinion, he does has the right to air it, nobody has an obligation to buy him a loudspeaker. To be fair people get kicked off YouTube for bugger all anyway, he has got away with breaking community guidelines on every medium he has been on. He needs to just stick to his website and spout his entertaining nonscence from there, that way everyone is happy..
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| Stirlingsays 07 Aug 18 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
He has the righr to an opinion, he does has the right to air it, nobody has an obligation to buy him a loudspeaker. Mmmm....So I guess this is you telling us that you agree that a cake shop has the right to refuse to make cakes with messages they don't like then. As I've said, these positions hold true but these social media companies hold a monopoly position in the market. I look forward to them enacting a price now. Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
To be fair people get kicked off YouTube for bugger all anyway, he has got away with breaking community guidelines on every medium he has been on. He needs to just stick to his website and spout his entertaining nonscence from there, that way everyone is happy.. Which left wing commentators have been kicked off of Youtube then?
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| Matov 07 Aug 18 2.19pm |
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What I am struggling with is trying to understand how the left seem to be failing to grasp that the narrative that is grabbing the attention of many people with regards to the likes of TR and now Infowars, is that they dare to speak the truth which the establishment wants to ignore. And that by jailing TR and now banning info-wars, adds a genuine credibility to that. Yet the left cheer it on. Are they really that stupid? Banning info-wars will make it even more popular. And able to genuinely claim that the Establishment is terrified of them. Banning them across these media platforms actually makes their claims about them true. Effectively these platforms are political and must be treated accordingly. Now I accept that many of the criticisms of Infowars have a genuine credibility and it has not been on my own political radar but now, I have to give it some respect because of those cheering on its demise. And that effect will resonate for a long time to come.
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| DanH SW2 07 Aug 18 2.57pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
What I am struggling with is trying to understand how the left seem to be failing to grasp that the narrative that is grabbing the attention of many people with regards to the likes of TR and now Infowars, is that they dare to speak the truth which the establishment wants to ignore. And that by jailing TR and now banning info-wars, adds a genuine credibility to that. Yet the left cheer it on. Are they really that stupid? Banning info-wars will make it even more popular. And able to genuinely claim that the Establishment is terrified of them. Banning them across these media platforms actually makes their claims about them true. Effectively these platforms are political and must be treated accordingly. Now I accept that many of the criticisms of Infowars have a genuine credibility and it has not been on my own political radar but now, I have to give it some respect because of those cheering on its demise. And that effect will resonate for a long time to come. But it really, really isn't. That's the whole point. It's half truths (at best) dressed up to suit an agenda. The left are equally as bad at this as well, for the sake of balance.
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| Matov 07 Aug 18 3.14pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
But it really, really isn't. That's the whole point. It's half truths (at best) dressed up to suit an agenda. The left are equally as bad at this as well, for the sake of balance. It does not matter whether it is the truth or not. By banning somebody for speaking what they claim as a truth you merely give them a credibility that they do not deserve. Because otherwise, why ban them in the first place? Why not humiliate them instead? Show them up as liars? And the reality is, at least in the case of TR, in terms of the grooming gangs, our establishment did, at the very best interpretation, chose to ignore the warnings from the likes of the EDL and the BNP and even now, seek to stop people talking about what happened for a variety of reasons. Bloody hell, you have a Labour Party who demotes one of its MP's for her refusal to stop talking about the cover ups and promotes one who 'liked' a tweet that essentially said the victims should keep their mouths shut in the interest of diversity. Many on the left talk about wanting to decriminalise drug use because they claim that it is the illegality of them that acts in part to attract people to use them and yet seem blind to the fact that by banning people from expressing opinions actually gives them a credibility that their claims do not deserve. Edited by Matov (07 Aug 2018 3.16pm) Edited by Matov (07 Aug 2018 3.16pm)
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