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Stirlingsays 05 Jul 18 1.34pm
Originally posted by Park Road Contrary to popular belief, nationalism is most commonly a left-wing ideology. This is partly because many people wrongly associate authoritarian 'tough' stances with right-wing politics, when left and right on the spectrum is determined entirely by economic stance. Mainly however, nationalists tend to prefer a slightly socialistic economy as opposed to a capitalistic economy. They often oppose globalisation in many forms, saying that the outsourcing of jobs to foreign lands increases unemployment in their homeland, which ultimately stifles the nation's ability to determine itself. It is no suprise then, that with that immigration and sometimes emigration is opposed. Nationalists are not only concerned with the welfare of their own nations, although they do not wish to interfere at all in that of others, because they often believe that every nation has a right to self-determination. So when mass immigration occurs in their country, they are not only concerned that this might cause a dissolution of their culture/ethnicity and a strain on the national infrastructure The person who invented Fascism was Mussolini who was a disgruntled socialist who had attended anti war demonstrations before coming up with it. And of course, we have the national socialists or the Nazis who.....while weren't socialists in the modern sense had socialist policies that are still pursued today. Hitler himself said that the easiest people to flip over to his party were the Marxists because like him what they wanted most of all was the destruction of the system. It's why 12 percent of Sander's supporters ended up voting Trump. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Jul 18 1.34pm

Originally posted by Park Road

Contrary to popular belief, nationalism is most commonly a left-wing ideology. This is partly because many people wrongly associate authoritarian 'tough' stances with right-wing politics, when left and right on the spectrum is determined entirely by economic stance. Mainly however, nationalists tend to prefer a slightly socialistic economy as opposed to a capitalistic economy. They often oppose globalisation in many forms, saying that the outsourcing of jobs to foreign lands increases unemployment in their homeland, which ultimately stifles the nation's ability to determine itself. It is no suprise then, that with that immigration and sometimes emigration is opposed.

Nationalists are not only concerned with the welfare of their own nations, although they do not wish to interfere at all in that of others, because they often believe that every nation has a right to self-determination. So when mass immigration occurs in their country, they are not only concerned that this might cause a dissolution of their culture/ethnicity and a strain on the national infrastructure

The person who invented Fascism was Mussolini who was a disgruntled socialist who had attended anti war demonstrations before coming up with it.

And of course, we have the national socialists or the Nazis who.....while weren't socialists in the modern sense had socialist policies that are still pursued today.

Hitler himself said that the easiest people to flip over to his party were the Marxists because like him what they wanted most of all was the destruction of the system.

It's why 12 percent of Sander's supporters ended up voting Trump.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 05 Jul 18 1.47pm
Originally posted by Brentmiester_General Says Doug Stanhope. Very funny man. [Link] Nope I've never heard of him either ? Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 05 Jul 18 1.47pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Says Doug Stanhope. Very funny man.

[Link]

Nope I've never heard of him either ?

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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jul 18 3.28pm
Originally posted by Park Road So can it be divided into various subsidiaries?, or is it just one full package I.e. if you are a nationalist,you basically believe everything you've just described. Just out of interest "authentic xenophobia"... As opposed to ...? Edited by Park Road (05 Jul 2018 1.22pm) Edited by Park Road (05 Jul 2018 1.25pm) Obviously, you can embrace one or a number of facets without embracing them all. It does appear, however, that some don't seem to understand that.
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Originally posted by Park Road

So can it be divided into various subsidiaries?, or is it just one full package I.e. if you are a nationalist,you basically believe everything you've just described.

Just out of interest "authentic xenophobia"... As opposed to ...?

Edited by Park Road (05 Jul 2018 1.22pm)

Edited by Park Road (05 Jul 2018 1.25pm)

Obviously, you can embrace one or a number of facets without embracing them all. It does appear, however, that some don't seem to understand that.

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Park Road 05 Jul 18 4.35pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Obviously, you can embrace one or a number of facets without embracing them all. It does appear, however, that some don't seem to understand that. Obvious, to some I suppose, and not so much to others, obviously. "authentic Xenophobia " on the other hand - what do you mean by that? (I'm genuinely intrigued) you seemed to have avoided answering the question. It's an interesting statement,what would be its alternative? Edited by Park Road (05 Jul 2018 4.36pm)
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05 Jul 18 4.35pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Obviously, you can embrace one or a number of facets without embracing them all. It does appear, however, that some don't seem to understand that.

Obvious, to some I suppose, and not so much to others, obviously.

"authentic Xenophobia " on the other hand - what do you mean by that? (I'm genuinely intrigued) you seemed to have avoided answering the question.
It's an interesting statement,what would be its alternative?

Edited by Park Road (05 Jul 2018 4.36pm)

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Direwolf Lincoln 05 Jul 18 5.50pm
Originally posted by Park Road Contrary to popular belief, nationalism is most commonly a left-wing ideology. This is partly because many people wrongly associate authoritarian 'tough' stances with right-wing politics, when left and right on the spectrum is determined entirely by economic stance. Mainly however, nationalists tend to prefer a slightly socialistic economy as opposed to a capitalistic economy. They often oppose globalisation in many forms, saying that the outsourcing of jobs to foreign lands increases unemployment in their homeland, which ultimately stifles the nation's ability to determine itself. It is no suprise then, that with that immigration and sometimes emigration is opposed. Nationalists are not only concerned with the welfare of their own nations, although they do not wish to interfere at all in that of others, because they often believe that every nation has a right to self-determination. So when mass immigration occurs in their country, they are not only concerned that this might cause a dissolution of their culture/ethnicity and a strain on the national infrastructure And of course we all believe everything someone has typed into the Urban dictionary. If you are going to copy and paste something at least disguise it a little or acknowledge the source.
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Lincoln 05 Jul 18 5.50pm

Originally posted by Park Road

And of course we all believe everything someone has typed into the Urban dictionary. If you are going to copy and paste something at least disguise it a little or acknowledge the source.

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Park Road 05 Jul 18 6.04pm
Originally posted by Direwolf And of course we all believe everything someone has typed into the Urban dictionary. If you are going to copy and paste something at least disguise it a little or acknowledge the source. will do! see and you once said you do not need to research. well done! you did good. Edited by Park Road (05 Jul 2018 6.07pm)
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05 Jul 18 6.04pm

Originally posted by Direwolf

And of course we all believe everything someone has typed into the Urban dictionary. If you are going to copy and paste something at least disguise it a little or acknowledge the source.

will do! see and you once said you do not need to research. well done! you did good.

Edited by Park Road (05 Jul 2018 6.07pm)

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 05 Jul 18 6.51pm
Remember former Labour leader Ed Miliband's 'One Nation' vision. That's nationalism. He wanted a Britain of "patriotism, loyalty, dedication to the common cause courses through the veins of all, and nobody feels left out". OK, he wasn't a good leader but perhaps a fair-minded socialist who I don't recall promoted a feeling of superiority over others. More typical is Labour's Emily Thornberry who was sacked for sneering at a house flying the England flag. And what about Fidel Castro's Cuban and Latin American nationalism? Nationalism is prevalent across the political spectrum, is good and bad. Edited by Penge Eagle (05 Jul 2018 7.05pm)
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Beckenham 05 Jul 18 6.51pm

Remember former Labour leader Ed Miliband's 'One Nation' vision. That's nationalism.

He wanted a Britain of "patriotism, loyalty, dedication to the common cause courses through the veins of all, and nobody feels left out".

OK, he wasn't a good leader but perhaps a fair-minded socialist who I don't recall promoted a feeling of superiority over others.

More typical is Labour's Emily Thornberry who was sacked for sneering at a house flying the England flag.

And what about Fidel Castro's Cuban and Latin American nationalism?

Nationalism is prevalent across the political spectrum, is good and bad.

Edited by Penge Eagle (05 Jul 2018 7.05pm)

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 05 Jul 18 6.57pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays National. Nationalism. One is an extension of the other. There can be extreme nationalism just as their can be extreme any political ideology.....just as you have the left and the far left for example. However, I'm a nationalist and I'm not extreme. I don't see myself as genetically superior nor do I wish to physically hurt anyone else just because they are from a different nation. Still, facts don't matter to the far left agenda machine. They just want to push out lies. And Nationalists of different nations team up regularly to combat the EU. So this idea that being a nationalist means you hate anyone who isn't in your nation is just incredibly simplistic and BS. A nationalist believes in the concept of nations as the best methodology for the advancement of humanity. Doug Stanhope is a drunk and I can debunk all his points....they are as simplistic as he is. Of course, he might not actually be serious...being that it's a routine. But there you go. As simplistic as your put down of a man who has a much larger audience than you could ever dream of having? Considering he’s known as an activist, I’d Imagine that every word he says in that clip is said with as much seriousness, as it is delivered with humour. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jul 2018 1.11pm) Edited by Brentmiester_General (05 Jul 2018 7.11pm) "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Front line in the battle against t... 05 Jul 18 6.57pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

National.

Nationalism.

One is an extension of the other. There can be extreme nationalism just as their can be extreme any political ideology.....just as you have the left and the far left for example.

However, I'm a nationalist and I'm not extreme. I don't see myself as genetically superior nor do I wish to physically hurt anyone else just because they are from a different nation.

Still, facts don't matter to the far left agenda machine. They just want to push out lies.

And Nationalists of different nations team up regularly to combat the EU. So this idea that being a nationalist means you hate anyone who isn't in your nation is just incredibly simplistic and BS.

A nationalist believes in the concept of nations as the best methodology for the advancement of humanity.

Doug Stanhope is a drunk and I can debunk all his points....they are as simplistic as he is. Of course, he might not actually be serious...being that it's a routine. But there you go.

As simplistic as your put down of a man who has a much larger audience than you could ever dream of having?

Considering he’s known as an activist, I’d Imagine that every word he says in that clip is said with as much seriousness, as it is delivered with humour.

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Edited by Brentmiester_General (05 Jul 2018 7.11pm)

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Direwolf Lincoln 05 Jul 18 7.57pm
Originally posted by Park Road will do! see and you once said you do not need to research. well done! you did good. Edited by Park Road (05 Jul 2018 6.07pm) I believe that what I said was not that one did not need to do research but rather that I did not need to do any research to confirm that you could not substantiate the claims that you making at the time as they were statistically impossible. Hope that clarifies it for you and glad to have helped to improve your citation of sources.
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Lincoln 05 Jul 18 7.57pm

Originally posted by Park Road

will do! see and you once said you do not need to research. well done! you did good.

Edited by Park Road (05 Jul 2018 6.07pm)

I believe that what I said was not that one did not need to do research but rather that I did not need to do any research to confirm that you could not substantiate the claims that you making at the time as they were statistically impossible. Hope that clarifies it for you and glad to have helped to improve your citation of sources.

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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jul 18 10.01pm
Originally posted by Park Road Obvious, to some I suppose, and not so much to others, obviously. "authentic Xenophobia " on the other hand - what do you mean by that? (I'm genuinely intrigued) you seemed to have avoided answering the question. It's an interesting statement,what would be its alternative? Edited by Park Road (05 Jul 2018 4.36pm) I answered your question and now you have another one. Authentic xenophobia in my view is the type which is born from the irrational. There are many rational reasons why one might not approve of other cultures. Medieval religious dogma for example.
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Hrolf The Ganger

05 Jul 18 10.01pm

Originally posted by Park Road

Obvious, to some I suppose, and not so much to others, obviously.

"authentic Xenophobia " on the other hand - what do you mean by that? (I'm genuinely intrigued) you seemed to have avoided answering the question.
It's an interesting statement,what would be its alternative?

Edited by Park Road (05 Jul 2018 4.36pm)

I answered your question and now you have another one.

Authentic xenophobia in my view is the type which is born from the irrational. There are many rational reasons why one might not approve of other cultures. Medieval religious dogma for example.

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the.universal 05 Jul 18 10.13pm
Originally posted by Brentmiester_General Just speaking the truth in a very humorous way. Can’t really argue with what he is saying can you? How can you say it’s the truth? Clearly it is an opinion. Mathematics is the only truth. Everything else is subjective. Vive le Roy!
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the.universal 05 Jul 18 10.13pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Just speaking the truth in a very humorous way. Can’t really argue with what he is saying can you?

How can you say it’s the truth? Clearly it is an opinion. Mathematics is the only truth. Everything else is subjective.

Vive le Roy!

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Stirlingsays 06 Jul 18 12.43am
Originally posted by Brentmiester_General As simplistic as your put down of a man who has a much larger audience than you could ever dream of having? Considering he’s known as an activist, I’d Imagine that every word he says in that clip is said with as much seriousness, as it is delivered with humour. Firstly talking about his audience size is a pure appeal to popularity and says nothing about whether he's right or not. The people I follow have far larger audiences than he does yet I wouldn't make that argument as evidence for being right. So hence that point is a pure dick measuring argument and hence a childish one. If his arguments in that clip are serious then they are easily shown up as poor logic. Anyone who agrees with them as presented is a shallow thinker. As an aside, I do wish you learnt how to post properly. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2018 12.44am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jul 18 12.43am

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

As simplistic as your put down of a man who has a much larger audience than you could ever dream of having? Considering he’s known as an activist, I’d Imagine that every word he says in that clip is said with as much seriousness, as it is delivered with humour.

Firstly talking about his audience size is a pure appeal to popularity and says nothing about whether he's right or not.

The people I follow have far larger audiences than he does yet I wouldn't make that argument as evidence for being right. So hence that point is a pure dick measuring argument and hence a childish one.

If his arguments in that clip are serious then they are easily shown up as poor logic. Anyone who agrees with them as presented is a shallow thinker.

As an aside, I do wish you learnt how to post properly.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2018 12.44am)

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