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Sportyteacher London 15 Jun 18 5.18pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Well said Becky I think this dates back to Diana. There is a reason we have places of worship so people can grieve and not be disturbed and not disturb others who are not affected. And you are correct some tragedies are recognised whilst many are not. Birmingham pub bombings,Bradford fire, Lee Rigby, Jimmy Mizen and countless others. Politicians feel the need to do something. We have a day of remembrance for our war dead which I observe so why not another day of remembrance for everybody else. I don't have a problem with Grenfall as it is the anniversary and the enquiry is ongoing but I will not be remembering next year. Two years ago, the Govt noticeably stepped short of national one-minute silence to remember 50th anniversary of Aberfan disaster that saw 144 (28 adults & 116 children) people needlessly killed due to the collapse of a colliery spoil tip that wiped out the local primary school. National Coal Board was to blame: [Link] [Link]
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London 15 Jun 18 5.18pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Well said Becky I think this dates back to Diana.

There is a reason we have places of worship so people can grieve and not be disturbed and not disturb others who are not affected.

And you are correct some tragedies are recognised whilst many are not. Birmingham pub bombings,Bradford fire, Lee Rigby, Jimmy Mizen and countless others.

Politicians feel the need to do something. We have a day of remembrance for our war dead which I observe so why not another day of remembrance for everybody else.

I don't have a problem with Grenfall as it is the anniversary and the enquiry is ongoing but I will not be remembering next year.

Two years ago, the Govt noticeably stepped short of national one-minute silence to remember 50th anniversary of Aberfan disaster that saw 144 (28 adults & 116 children) people needlessly killed due to the collapse of a colliery spoil tip that wiped out the local primary school. National Coal Board was to blame:

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becky over the moon 15 Jun 18 7.05pm
Originally posted by Direwolf I do hope Tesco were offering a counselling opportunity after subjecting all the shoppers to this trauma. Alternatively you could make a claim for psychological suffering. I have never needed counselling - born of the immediate post-war deprived smacked generation, my upper lip is as stiff as they come and so is my backbone ........ something the later generations seem to be missing altogether A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 15 Jun 18 7.05pm

Originally posted by Direwolf

I do hope Tesco were offering a counselling opportunity after subjecting all the shoppers to this trauma. Alternatively you could make a claim for psychological suffering.

I have never needed counselling - born of the immediate post-war deprived smacked generation, my upper lip is as stiff as they come and so is my backbone ........ something the later generations seem to be missing altogether

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 15 Jun 18 8.25pm
I find this enforced mourning very, very tiresome. I will mourn and reflect on those matters that I deem worthy of mourning and reflection - I certainly don't need some f**ers telling me what I should be mourning over and reflecting about. Fck them. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 15 Jun 18 8.25pm

I find this enforced mourning very, very tiresome. I will mourn and reflect on those matters that I deem worthy of mourning and reflection - I certainly don't need some f***ers telling me what I should be mourning over and reflecting about.

F*ck them.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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YT Oxford 15 Jun 18 8.49pm
I agree with Becky’s OP. I think we’ve lost all sense of reason in this country. Another thing that made me uneasy was the unprecedented succession of eulogies at the start of the Grenfell enquiry. A formal enquiry is not the place for such lamentation. Edited by YT (16 Jun 2018 8.21am) Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 15 Jun 18 8.49pm

I agree with Becky’s OP. I think we’ve lost all sense of reason in this country.

Another thing that made me uneasy was the unprecedented succession of eulogies at the start of the Grenfell enquiry. A formal enquiry is not the place for such lamentation.

Edited by YT (16 Jun 2018 8.21am)

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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 16 Jun 18 7.18am
Extending poor, working class grief to a national level is tokenistic compensation for the fact that people like the Grenfell victims can't afford to do what the rich would do in that situation - sue the perpetrators.
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Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 16 Jun 18 7.18am

Extending poor, working class grief to a national level is tokenistic compensation for the fact that people like the Grenfell victims can't afford to do what the rich would do in that situation - sue the perpetrators.

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YT Oxford 16 Jun 18 8.22am
Originally posted by Slimey Toad Extending poor, working class grief to a national level is tokenistic compensation for the fact that people like the Grenfell victims can't afford to do what the rich would do in that situation - sue the perpetrators. So how does that work with the anniversary of the Manchester bombing? Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 16 Jun 18 8.22am

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

So how does that work with the anniversary of the Manchester bombing?

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cryrst The garden of England 16 Jun 18 8.47am
Originally posted by Slimey Toad Extending poor, working class grief to a national level is tokenistic compensation for the fact that people like the Grenfell victims can't afford to do what the rich would do in that situation - sue the perpetrators. Sorry and the perpetrators where who. You cannot just sue because you have the money. Someone has to be responsible first.
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cryrst

The garden of England 16 Jun 18 8.47am

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

Sorry and the perpetrators where who.
You cannot just sue because you have the money.
Someone has to be responsible first.

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Direwolf Lincoln 16 Jun 18 9.04am
Can we have a minute's silence for Spain. Edited by Direwolf (16 Jun 2018 9.05am)
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Lincoln 16 Jun 18 9.04am

Can we have a minute's silence for Spain.

Edited by Direwolf (16 Jun 2018 9.05am)

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 16 Jun 18 6.31pm
It’s a minute in a day. Hardly worth getting humpy about. "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Front line in the battle against t... 16 Jun 18 6.31pm

It’s a minute in a day. Hardly worth getting humpy about.

"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

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YT Oxford 16 Jun 18 6.54pm
Originally posted by Brentmiester_General It’s a minute in a day. Hardly worth getting humpy about. I think the humpiness is about the concept, not the imposition. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 16 Jun 18 6.54pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

It’s a minute in a day. Hardly worth getting humpy about.

I think the humpiness is about the concept, not the imposition.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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the.universal 16 Jun 18 7.40pm
Originally posted by becky I have never needed counselling - born of the immediate post-war deprived smacked generation, my upper lip is as stiff as they come and so is my backbone ........ something the later generations seem to be missing altogether Counselling is great, I genuinely think everyone could benefit from it. For me, it’s not about backbone, or lack of. It’s about making your life and relationships better. That is my experience in any case. Vive le Roy!
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the.universal 16 Jun 18 7.40pm

Originally posted by becky

Counselling is great, I genuinely think everyone could benefit from it. For me, it’s not about backbone, or lack of. It’s about making your life and relationships better. That is my experience in any case.

Vive le Roy!

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the.universal 16 Jun 18 7.47pm
Originally posted by cryrst Sorry and the perpetrators where who. You cannot just sue because you have the money. Someone has to be responsible first. The cladding was unsafe, so either someone at the manufacturer (in case they lied about their product meeting the regualtions), the company that carried out the works (in case they used cladding not meeting regulations), or someone within the government (in case they allowed unsafe cladding to be used). There have been significant failings this case. The first step should be to investigate what has gone wrong, learn the lessons and then bring wrongdoers to justice over it. Vive le Roy!
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the.universal 16 Jun 18 7.47pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Sorry and the perpetrators where who.
You cannot just sue because you have the money.
Someone has to be responsible first.

The cladding was unsafe, so either someone at the manufacturer (in case they lied about their product meeting the regualtions), the company that carried out the works (in case they used cladding not meeting regulations), or someone within the government (in case they allowed unsafe cladding to be used).

There have been significant failings this case. The first step should be to investigate what has gone wrong, learn the lessons and then bring wrongdoers to justice over it.

Vive le Roy!

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