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Stirlingsays 27 May 18 4.37pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
the main jobs of the Queen : -eat cake I used to be a loyal monarchist.....back when I thought that it actually meant something. But the celebrity culture that was significantly heightened by Diana and the lack of any backbone by the Queen over the years has kind of worn me down. Now, I find in recent years, I don't really care. They care only about continuing their positions. They bring in tourist money from foreigners and that is their only purpose other than selling celebrity copy to the mindless.
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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 27 May 18 5.22pm | |
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There's been so much chipping away at the foundations of this country over the last 30 years or so that it's not just the monarchy that's going to crash and burn over the course of the next couple of generations. If you continue to weaken the base of a structure, it's going to come down, no two ways about it.
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Stirlingsays 27 May 18 5.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
There's been so much chipping away at the foundations of this country over the last 30 years or so that it's not just the monarchy that's going to crash and burn over the course of the next couple of generations. If you continue to weaken the base of a structure, it's going to come down, no two ways about it. Very true, and perhaps sooner than expected if Corbyn gets in and is actually serious about real socialism.....not the champagne socialism that Labour became in actual office.
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Badger11 Beckenham 27 May 18 7.18pm | |
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As a republican my problem is the "Australian question". The Aussies would like to be a republic but when this came up in their referendum they couldn't agree on what to replace the Queen with. I have the same issue, President Blair anyone? Or how about President Lilly Allen? I an admirer of the Queen and we have to have someone "do protocol" but I think my republican fervour will return once Charles takes to the throne. Until then God save the Queen.
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 28 May 18 6.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
In her Coronation Oath, 1953 the Queen answered 'I will.' to following from the Archbishop. Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, pakistan, and Ceylon, and of your Possessions and the other Territories to any of them belonging or pertaining, according to their respective laws and customs? The Queen signed into assent the Treaty of Rome 1957, the EEC act 1972, the Maastrict treaty 1992, the Barcelona treaty 1995 and Lisbon 2007. Then the soon to become Queen answered 'All this I promise to do.' to the following. Will you to the utmost of your power maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel? Will you to the utmost of your power maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law? Will you maintain and preserve inviolably the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England? And will you preserve unto the Bishops and Clergy of England, and to the Churches there committed to their charge, all such rights and privileges, as by law do or shall appertain to them or any of them? Now I'm not religious but I've seen the rise of other religions in this country even dent the rule of secularism.....with parallel district courts and laws almost amounting to blasphemy being introduced here. Whether it is to do with signing away sovereign powers to outside institutions or watching the decline and loss of Christian hegemony in the country the Queen has said and done nothing. I know she is only a representative but she should have made a stand at some point but she has done nothing. Perhaps she is weak or badly advised but that's no excuse for her position. Indeed when we look at what she has said all that appears important is maintaining the monarchy....while watching what it's meant to do vanish. I'm coming to the conclusion that she probably has betrayed her Coronation Oath. You talking about pervasive papists in the community like Mogg, or not supporting her Commonwealth subjects?
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Stirlingsays 28 May 18 6.59pm | |
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Originally posted by pefwin
You talking about pervasive papists in the community like Mogg, or not supporting her Commonwealth subjects? You know what I'm kind of proud of that post. I guess I was just displaying my disillusionment with the weakness of our institutions and how there wasn't even the semblance of push back. That oath meant that one really should have happened.
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 28 May 18 7.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You know what I'm kind of proud of that post. I guess I was just displaying my disillusionment with the weakness of our institutions and how there wasn't even the semblance of push back. That oath meant that one really should have happened. But you did not answer the question.
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Stirlingsays 28 May 18 8.15pm | |
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Originally posted by pefwin
But you did not answer the question. I thought my second sentence did but ok if you want it more direct. No I'm not talking about Mogg or the commonwealth aspect. I'm talking about sovereignty and standing for her religion.
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Mr Palaceman 28 May 18 9.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
In her Coronation Oath, 1953 the Queen answered 'I will.' to following from the Archbishop. Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, pakistan, and Ceylon, and of your Possessions and the other Territories to any of them belonging or pertaining, according to their respective laws and customs? The Queen signed into assent the Treaty of Rome 1957, the EEC act 1972, the Maastrict treaty 1992, the Barcelona treaty 1995 and Lisbon 2007. Then the soon to become Queen answered 'All this I promise to do.' to the following. Will you to the utmost of your power maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel? Will you to the utmost of your power maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law? Will you maintain and preserve inviolably the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England? And will you preserve unto the Bishops and Clergy of England, and to the Churches there committed to their charge, all such rights and privileges, as by law do or shall appertain to them or any of them? Now I'm not religious but I've seen the rise of other religions in this country even dent the rule of secularism.....with parallel district courts and laws almost amounting to blasphemy being introduced here. Whether it is to do with signing away sovereign powers to outside institutions or watching the decline and loss of Christian hegemony in the country the Queen has said and done nothing. I know she is only a representative but she should have made a stand at some point but she has done nothing. Perhaps she is weak or badly advised but that's no excuse for her position. Indeed when we look at what she has said all that appears important is maintaining the monarchy....while watching what it's meant to do vanish. I'm coming to the conclusion that she probably has betrayed her Coronation Oath. In the first part, she promises to govern the mentioned territories according to their laws and customs. Laws and customs change and those territories are populated by many different cultures and races, practising different laws and customs and faiths. Some of those territories, like the United Kingdom, have laws that have been implimented, in accordance with the religious practises of the people that live there. In the second part, she vowed to maintain the church, preserve the clergy in accordance with its rules, as established in law. Has she not done both of those things in her reign?. I also don't see anything in the oath that you have posted that states that if another religion our custom should be taken up by citizens that she would have to make a stand against it. What do you think that this oath requires her to stand against? If anything... Also, what is the "The rule of secularism".
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steeleye20 Croydon 28 May 18 9.46pm | |
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'ere Phil (Her Majesty) yeah, what is it babe? I want a divorce..........
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orpingtoneagle Orpington 28 May 18 10.27pm | |
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Does it matter? Guess she could agree step down and give Charlie a go. Equally we could just accept the world has moved on a bit since she said this. Maybe its like the London by law which indicates cab drivers should always carry a bale of hay at all times. Never repealed but not many horse drawn cabs these days.
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Stirlingsays 28 May 18 10.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Mr Palaceman
In the first part, she promises to govern the mentioned territories according to their laws and customs. Laws and customs change and those territories are populated by many different cultures and races, practising different laws and customs and faiths. Some of those territories, like the United Kingdom, have laws that have been implimented, in accordance with the religious practises of the people that live there. In the second part, she vowed to maintain the church, preserve the clergy in accordance with its rules, as established in law. Has she not done both of those things in her reign?. I also don't see anything in the oath that you have posted that states that if another religion our custom should be taken up by citizens that she would have to make a stand against it. What do you think that this oath requires her to stand against? If anything... Also, what is the "The rule of secularism". I feel like I've already answered most of these. But if you feel differently about it, cool.
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