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Hrolf The Ganger 07 May 18 2.36pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, apparently objecting to or criticising things today means you 'hate' them. Most things I actually dislike or wish to criticise I don't hate. Others telling me I 'hate' is so ridiculously childish. If I did or do hate something why am I not allowed to 'hate' it? Words are one thing and actions are another. The far left certainly seem to find no problem thinking they can 'hate' sections of humanity. Hating something isn't particularly nice, but suddenly being told that you can't express your opinion is anti liberal and anti western and no body voted for this. Outside of libel and incitement to violence nobody should be able to negatively impact me for an expressed thought. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 May 2018 2.28pm) Sums it up. It amounts to one sided censorship ultimately. It's all very Orwellian and we are living it right now.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, apparently objecting to or criticising things today means you 'hate' them. Most things I actually dislike or wish to criticise I don't hate. Others telling me I 'hate' is so ridiculously childish.

If I did or do hate something why am I not allowed to 'hate' it? Words are one thing and actions are another. The far left certainly seem to find no problem thinking they can 'hate' sections of humanity.

Hating something isn't particularly nice, but suddenly being told that you can't express your opinion is anti liberal and anti western and no body voted for this.

Outside of libel and incitement to violence nobody should be able to negatively impact me for an expressed thought.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 May 2018 2.28pm)

Sums it up. It amounts to one sided censorship ultimately. It's all very Orwellian and we are living it right now.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 07 May 18 2.36pm
if i say i do not like tomatoes, will i be accused of a hate crime ? of prejudice ? Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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if i say i do not like tomatoes, will i be accused of a hate crime ? of prejudice ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Park Road 07 May 18 2.37pm
Originally posted by davidpercival It is being called a far right demo because that is what it is. What they want is freedom to demonise and abuse groups of people based on their race,religion, sexual orientation or anything else these members of the master race think fit. Free speech is now far right? Free speech demonizes groups? As you are using your free speech to Call people racist, homophobic, and belonging to a master race for demonstrating for free speech, you also, therefore, by definition must be a sad racist, homophobic, religious hating dick...
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07 May 18 2.37pm

Originally posted by davidpercival

It is being called a far right demo because that is what it is. What they want is freedom to demonise and abuse groups of people based on their race,religion, sexual orientation or anything else these members of the master race think fit.

Free speech is now far right?
Free speech demonizes groups?

As you are using your free speech to
Call people racist, homophobic, and belonging to a master race for demonstrating for free speech, you also, therefore, by definition must be a sad racist, homophobic, religious hating dick...

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 07 May 18 2.40pm
Originally posted by Park Road Free speech is now far right? Free speech demonizes groups? As you are using your free speech to Call people racist, homophobic, and belonging to a master race for demonstrating for free speech, you also, therefore, by definition must be a sad racist, homophobic, religious hating dick... Careful now the FLA is apolitical. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 07 May 18 2.40pm

Originally posted by Park Road

Free speech is now far right?
Free speech demonizes groups?

Careful now the FLA is apolitical.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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becky over the moon 07 May 18 2.42pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio if i say i do not like tomatoes, will i be accused of a hate crime ? of prejudice ? No, but the People's Vegan Front of Notting Hill will come round your house and pelt it with rotten battery hens. Edited by becky (07 May 2018 2.42pm) A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 07 May 18 2.42pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

if i say i do not like tomatoes, will i be accused of a hate crime ? of prejudice ?

No, but the People's Vegan Front of Notting Hill will come round your house and pelt it with rotten battery hens.

Edited by becky (07 May 2018 2.42pm)

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Dave58 Ipswich 07 May 18 3.09pm
You don’t need to stand on speakers corner. You just sit at your computer an cowardly troll people who you don’t agree with. Such a pity these aren’t prosecuted.
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Ipswich 07 May 18 3.09pm

You don’t need to stand on speakers corner. You just sit at your computer an cowardly troll people who you don’t agree with. Such a pity these aren’t prosecuted.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 07 May 18 3.12pm
Originally posted by Dave58 You don’t need to stand on speakers corner. You just sit at your computer an cowardly troll people who you don’t agree with. Such a pity these aren’t prosecuted. So right Dave, too many keyboard warriors who do not think before they type. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 07 May 18 3.12pm

Originally posted by Dave58

You don’t need to stand on speakers corner. You just sit at your computer an cowardly troll people who you don’t agree with. Such a pity these aren’t prosecuted.

So right Dave, too many keyboard warriors who do not think before they type.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Mr Palaceman 07 May 18 4.00pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, apparently objecting to or criticising things today means you 'hate' them. Most things I actually dislike or wish to criticise I don't hate. Others telling me I 'hate' is so ridiculously childish. If I did or do hate something why am I not allowed to 'hate' it? Words are one thing and actions are another. The far left certainly seem to find no problem thinking they can 'hate' sections of humanity. Hating something isn't particularly nice, but suddenly being told that you can't express your opinion is anti liberal and anti western and no body voted for this. Outside of libel and incitement to violence nobody should be able to negatively impact me for an expressed thought. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 May 2018 2.28pm) I fully stand by the right to speak freely, even if that free speech is sometimes unsavory to me. However, an expressed thought stops being a thought, it becomes a statement and let's suppose that statement has a negative impact, on another member or group of people in society, without actually being an incitement to violence or libelous. For the sake of debate, if a person makes a statement that impacts negativly on another, why should they expect not to be negatively impacted by the consequences of that statement? That's the 'cost' of free speech. Every right has a responsibility and free speech is no different. Just because something can be said in life, it doesn't mean that it should be, or at least, if you do, understand that others may not like it and their reaction may have a negative impact. Sometimes but not often, people do need to be offended or told the truth but having the wisdom to know when to be silent is a skill that I fear is becoming a lost virtue. It's an age old problem. "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel
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07 May 18 4.00pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Hating something isn't particularly nice, but suddenly being told that you can't express your opinion is anti liberal and anti western and no body voted for this.

Outside of libel and incitement to violence nobody should be able to negatively impact me for an expressed thought.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 May 2018 2.28pm)

I fully stand by the right to speak freely, even if that free speech is sometimes unsavory to me.

However, an expressed thought stops being a thought, it becomes a statement and let's suppose that statement has a negative impact, on another member or group of people in society, without actually being an incitement to violence or libelous.

For the sake of debate, if a person makes a statement that impacts negativly on another, why should they expect not to be negatively impacted by the consequences of that statement? That's the 'cost' of free speech.

Every right has a responsibility and free speech is no different. Just because something can be said in life, it doesn't mean that it should be, or at least, if you do, understand that others may not like it and their reaction may have a negative impact.

Sometimes but not often, people do need to be offended or told the truth but having the wisdom to know when to be silent is a skill that I fear is becoming a lost virtue.

It's an age old problem.

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

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davidpercival Croydon 07 May 18 4.16pm
Whilst some of the people attending may not be far right, all the speakers at the rostrum I heard about come into that category, not least Tommy Robinson. It seems the claim is that people are being taken to court for expressing their views but the fact is the convictions have been by a jury of fellow British people who say it is hate speech. Free speech does not mean you can incite hostility to groups of people because of their nationality, race, religion, whatever, which is what they want to do. Originally posted by Stirlingsays If you think that is far right? You very obviously don't know the far right. This 'far right' demo had both homosexuals and transsexuals speak and perform at it. It had people of multiple races speak at it. The real far right call these people degenerates. This is a video of the far right actually talking about this demo. How about you actually watch it so that you know what you're talking about for next time. They start talking about the demo at 2.25 minutes in. [Link] Perhaps you're the type of person who believes in the same repression that the soviets believed in and enforced. The type of people you think are far right were the same type of people who actually fought and beat the Nazis from this country and Europe. I want the freedom to call anybody anything I like without the state getting involved. The same as it is in the US.....and you know....pretty much how the law actually was until New Labour changed it. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 May 2018 2.08pm)
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Croydon 07 May 18 4.16pm

Whilst some of the people attending may not be far right, all the speakers at the rostrum I heard about come into that category, not least Tommy Robinson.

It seems the claim is that people are being taken to court for expressing their views but the fact is the convictions have been by a jury of fellow British people who say it is hate speech. Free speech does not mean you can incite hostility to groups of people because of their nationality, race, religion, whatever, which is what they want to do.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If you think that is far right? You very obviously don't know the far right. This 'far right' demo had both homosexuals and transsexuals speak and perform at it. It had people of multiple races speak at it. The real far right call these people degenerates.

This is a video of the far right actually talking about this demo. How about you actually watch it so that you know what you're talking about for next time. They start talking about the demo at 2.25 minutes in.

[Link]

Perhaps you're the type of person who believes in the same repression that the soviets believed in and enforced.

The type of people you think are far right were the same type of people who actually fought and beat the Nazis from this country and Europe.

I want the freedom to call anybody anything I like without the state getting involved. The same as it is in the US.....and you know....pretty much how the law actually was until New Labour changed it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 May 2018 2.08pm)

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Stirlingsays 07 May 18 4.21pm
Originally posted by davidpercival Whilst some of the people attending may not be far right, all the speakers at the rostrum I heard about come into that category, not least Tommy Robinson. It seems the claim is that people are being taken to court for expressing their views but the fact is the convictions have been by a jury of fellow British people who say it is hate speech. Free speech does not mean you can incite hostility to groups of people because of their nationality, race, religion, whatever, which is what they want to do. You simply don't know what you talk about. He was not convicted by a jury! Why don't you even know the basic facts of something you pronounce on? I bet you didn't watch the video. Stop being ignorant. And yes, free speech does mean you can be hostile to whomever you like. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 May 2018 4.44pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

07 May 18 4.21pm

Originally posted by davidpercival

Whilst some of the people attending may not be far right, all the speakers at the rostrum I heard about come into that category, not least Tommy Robinson.

You simply don't know what you talk about. He was not convicted by a jury! Why don't you even know the basic facts of something you pronounce on?

I bet you didn't watch the video. Stop being ignorant.

And yes, free speech does mean you can be hostile to whomever you like.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 May 2018 4.44pm)

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 07 May 18 4.26pm
Reading the thread, am I the only one who sees the right to speech at SC different to the rest of the UK? The place where people can be as libellous as any MP in the chamber. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 07 May 18 4.26pm

Reading the thread, am I the only one who sees the right to speech at SC different to the rest of the UK?

The place where people can be as libellous as any MP in the chamber.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Stirlingsays 07 May 18 4.36pm
Originally posted by pefwin Reading the thread, am I the only one who sees the right to speech at SC different to the rest of the UK? The place where people can be as libellous as any MP in the chamber. In America that's every street corner. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

07 May 18 4.36pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Reading the thread, am I the only one who sees the right to speech at SC different to the rest of the UK?

The place where people can be as libellous as any MP in the chamber.

In America that's every street corner.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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