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Stirlingsays 23 Apr 18 8.16pm
Originally posted by serial thriller I think the points you make are valid, the issue is that very few journalists or independent analysts are allowed to survey what happens in our detention centres, which leads to opacity, and is an indirect political decision by our government. They, after all, are the ones who are handing contracts to private security firms with a history of torture and abuse. I find it difficult to believe that these women are going on hunger strike out of anything other than desperation. Many of them go on to become British citizens, many of them have worked in our hospitals, contributed taxes and performed other usually low paid, essential services. To shrug one's shoulders and tell them to 'go to Germany' seems extraordinarily callous in my eyes. Qualified people who can work as nurses in our hospitals are unlikely to be in immigration detention centres. However, if they are, then they are. What's wrong with saying go to Germany? Germany wants foreign workers. We don't need anymore foreign workers. We can train our own nurses......That's what we did before we opened up to 200, 000/ 300, 000 foreigners a year. We just don't need this number of immigrants. Immigrants can continue to come here, but they should be in the tens of thousands not hundreds. Then this detention centre problem goes away. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Apr 18 8.16pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

I think the points you make are valid, the issue is that very few journalists or independent analysts are allowed to survey what happens in our detention centres, which leads to opacity, and is an indirect political decision by our government. They, after all, are the ones who are handing contracts to private security firms with a history of torture and abuse.

I find it difficult to believe that these women are going on hunger strike out of anything other than desperation. Many of them go on to become British citizens, many of them have worked in our hospitals, contributed taxes and performed other usually low paid, essential services. To shrug one's shoulders and tell them to 'go to Germany' seems extraordinarily callous in my eyes.

Qualified people who can work as nurses in our hospitals are unlikely to be in immigration detention centres. However, if they are, then they are. What's wrong with saying go to Germany? Germany wants foreign workers.

We don't need anymore foreign workers. We can train our own nurses......That's what we did before we opened up to 200, 000/ 300, 000 foreigners a year.

We just don't need this number of immigrants.

Immigrants can continue to come here, but they should be in the tens of thousands not hundreds.

Then this detention centre problem goes away.

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serial thriller The Promised Land 23 Apr 18 8.19pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Ok thinker, this situation can be applied to many many millions of people all over the world. There is a never ending book of hard luck stories. Charity begins at home. You don't know the validity or not of any of those stories. A lot of those in them came here with no papers. I'm not against immigration at a reasonable number....But if that was what was happening then we wouldn't have over-flowing detention centres. Like I said, stop virtue signalling and rent your room. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Apr 2018 7.55pm) Ok, so I'm guessing this isn't true of Count Dankula, or whatever weirdo who you feel has had their freedom of speech taken away from them? Why do these people not count as being at 'home' when many of them have lived, studied, worked and paid tax in this country? [Link] [Link] A couple of interviews with detainees. As Tom says, these are real people just like us, and deserve to have their human rights respected, just as we all do. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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The Promised Land 23 Apr 18 8.19pm

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ok thinker, this situation can be applied to many many millions of people all over the world. There is a never ending book of hard luck stories. Charity begins at home.

You don't know the validity or not of any of those stories. A lot of those in them came here with no papers.

I'm not against immigration at a reasonable number....But if that was what was happening then we wouldn't have over-flowing detention centres.

Like I said, stop virtue signalling and rent your room.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Apr 2018 7.55pm)

Ok, so I'm guessing this isn't true of Count Dankula, or whatever weirdo who you feel has had their freedom of speech taken away from them?

Why do these people not count as being at 'home' when many of them have lived, studied, worked and paid tax in this country?

[Link]

A couple of interviews with detainees. As Tom says, these are real people just like us, and deserve to have their human rights respected, just as we all do.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Stirlingsays 23 Apr 18 8.29pm
Originally posted by serial thriller Ok, so I'm guessing this isn't true of Count Dankula, or whatever weirdo who you feel has had their freedom of speech taken away from them? You haven't spoken up for Dankula, yet you want to play contrast? For starters I'm not defending anyone taking away people's free speech. How is that happening exactly. I don't support foreigners having the same residential rights as people born here. Detention centres is where those people should be before they are processed for deportation. This country is soft in the head.....and most of the people who support this kind of thing don't really give a damn about the actual country. If we didn't have so many foreigners here we wouldn't have overcrowded detention centres. Originally posted by serial thriller Why do these people not count as being at 'home' when many of them have lived, studied, worked and paid tax in this country? [Link] [Link] A couple of interviews with detainees. As Tom says, these are real people just like us, and deserve to have their human rights respected, just as we all do. They are real people but they don't have a proven right to live here. If they had that right proven then I'd imagine they wouldn't be there. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Apr 2018 8.31pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Apr 18 8.29pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

Ok, so I'm guessing this isn't true of Count Dankula, or whatever weirdo who you feel has had their freedom of speech taken away from them?

You haven't spoken up for Dankula, yet you want to play contrast?

For starters I'm not defending anyone taking away people's free speech. How is that happening exactly.

I don't support foreigners having the same residential rights as people born here. Detention centres is where those people should be before they are processed for deportation.

This country is soft in the head.....and most of the people who support this kind of thing don't really give a damn about the actual country.

If we didn't have so many foreigners here we wouldn't have overcrowded detention centres.

Originally posted by serial thriller

Why do these people not count as being at 'home' when many of them have lived, studied, worked and paid tax in this country?

[Link]

A couple of interviews with detainees. As Tom says, these are real people just like us, and deserve to have their human rights respected, just as we all do.

They are real people but they don't have a proven right to live here. If they had that right proven then I'd imagine they wouldn't be there.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Apr 2018 8.31pm)

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 23 Apr 18 8.31pm
If they hadn't tried to enter the country illegally, they wouldn't be in there at all. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 23 Apr 18 8.31pm

If they hadn't tried to enter the country illegally, they wouldn't be in there at all.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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serial thriller The Promised Land 23 Apr 18 8.51pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt If they hadn't tried to enter the country illegally, they wouldn't be in there at all. So if they were smuggled here, or if their visa has run out, or if they are fleeing war and persecution and have family here as their only hope of safety, it is their own fault if they are raped and abused on British soil? This is the thing which amuses me. People have such a high regard of British sovereignty and law, yet when we don't abide by the international laws which we are signed up to, we can turn a blind eye. You don't have to agree with me on migration to feel injustice when women and families under our jueisdiction are being oppressed, and they have no recourse to basic medical and legal attention. If you or I go to court, we can at least count on the basic right of innocent until proven guilty. This is a key and crucial distinction between our courts and many in more corrupt societies. Yet these women are waiting on the verdict from asylum applications and migration hearings, and are clearly condwmned not only as guilty, but as below even the most basic of human rights. And this may well have happened to women you pass in the street, or who have given you professional help. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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The Promised Land 23 Apr 18 8.51pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

If they hadn't tried to enter the country illegally, they wouldn't be in there at all.

So if they were smuggled here, or if their visa has run out, or if they are fleeing war and persecution and have family here as their only hope of safety, it is their own fault if they are raped and abused on British soil?

This is the thing which amuses me. People have such a high regard of British sovereignty and law, yet when we don't abide by the international laws which we are signed up to, we can turn a blind eye.

You don't have to agree with me on migration to feel injustice when women and families under our jueisdiction are being oppressed, and they have no recourse to basic medical and legal attention.

If you or I go to court, we can at least count on the basic right of innocent until proven guilty. This is a key and crucial distinction between our courts and many in more corrupt societies. Yet these women are waiting on the verdict from asylum applications and migration hearings, and are clearly condwmned not only as guilty, but as below even the most basic of human rights. And this may well have happened to women you pass in the street, or who have given you professional help.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 23 Apr 18 8.58pm
Originally posted by serial thriller So if they were smuggled here, or if their visa has run out, or if they are fleeing war and persecution and have family here as their only hope of safety, it is their own fault if they are raped and abused on British soil? This is the thing which amuses me. People have such a high regard of British sovereignty and law, yet when we don't abide by the international laws which we are signed up to, we can turn a blind eye. You don't have to agree with me on migration to feel injustice when women and families under our jueisdiction are being oppressed, and they have no recourse to basic medical and legal attention. If you or I go to court, we can at least count on the basic right of innocent until proven guilty. This is a key and crucial distinction between our courts and many in more corrupt societies. Yet these women are waiting on the verdict from asylum applications and migration hearings, and are clearly condwmned not only as guilty, but as below even the most basic of human rights. And this may well have happened to women you pass in the street, or who have given you professional help. There's only one reason they're there - because they haven't gone through the proper channels to formalise their presence in the UK. Edited by Cucking Funt (23 Apr 2018 8.59pm) Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 23 Apr 18 8.58pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

This is the thing which amuses me. People have such a high regard of British sovereignty and law, yet when we don't abide by the international laws which we are signed up to, we can turn a blind eye.

You don't have to agree with me on migration to feel injustice when women and families under our jueisdiction are being oppressed, and they have no recourse to basic medical and legal attention.

There's only one reason they're there - because they haven't gone through the proper channels to formalise their presence in the UK.

Edited by Cucking Funt (23 Apr 2018 8.59pm)

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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elgrande bedford 23 Apr 18 9.50pm
I live about 3 miles away from yarls wood. And I have a good friend (female) who works there quite high up. Very honest straight laced lady,and she hates the lies (her words),that are constantly circled about the facility. I have often talked to her about the place,we know there was one case of sexual abuse and he was rightly sacked and charged I believe. But she has always refuted the claims it is " haven of sexual abuse and bad treatment". Blaming an agenda put about by certain organisations. From my point of view,it's a f*ing pain in the arse when they have a demonstration up there because they close the road....and the f*ing mess and litter they leave behind is scandalous. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 23 Apr 18 9.50pm

I live about 3 miles away from yarls wood.

And I have a good friend (female) who works there quite high up.
Very honest straight laced lady,and she hates the lies (her words),that are constantly circled about the facility.
I have often talked to her about the place,we know there was one case of sexual abuse and he was rightly sacked and charged I believe.
But she has always refuted the claims it is " haven of sexual abuse and bad treatment".
Blaming an agenda put about by certain organisations.

From my point of view,it's a f***ing pain in the arse when they have a demonstration up there because they close the road....and the f***ing mess and litter they leave behind is scandalous.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Badger11 Beckenham 24 Apr 18 8.14am
Originally posted by serial thriller I think the points you make are valid, the issue is that very few journalists or independent analysts are allowed to survey what happens in our detention centres, which leads to opacity, and is an indirect political decision by our government. They, after all, are the ones who are handing contracts to private security firms with a history of torture and abuse. I find it difficult to believe that these women are going on hunger strike out of anything other than desperation. Many of them go on to become British citizens, many of them have worked in our hospitals, contributed taxes and performed other usually low paid, essential services. To shrug one's shoulders and tell them to 'go to Germany' seems extraordinarily callous in my eyes. I have no doubt that the women are desperate to stay. The alternate is deportation back to their home country and probably a life of poverty. To many the UK is El Dorado and I don't mean because of the benefits system. You only have to listen to the Calais migrants trying to cross the channel. They will not claim asylum in France because the french make it very difficult, and even if you can stay the locals will shut you out of the job market. Despite what some people say the UK is actually far more welcoming of migrants that much of Europe where it matters such as jobs and neighbours. However I actually agree with David Cameron we should take migrants from their home country where we can properly vet them. We should not be rewarding the people traffickers. One more point
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Beckenham 24 Apr 18 8.14am

Originally posted by serial thriller

I find it difficult to believe that these women are going on hunger strike out of anything other than desperation. Many of them go on to become British citizens, many of them have worked in our hospitals, contributed taxes and performed other usually low paid, essential services. To shrug one's shoulders and tell them to 'go to Germany' seems extraordinarily callous in my eyes.

I have no doubt that the women are desperate to stay. The alternate is deportation back to their home country and probably a life of poverty. To many the UK is El Dorado and I don't mean because of the benefits system. You only have to listen to the Calais migrants trying to cross the channel. They will not claim asylum in France because the french make it very difficult, and even if you can stay the locals will shut you out of the job market. Despite what some people say the UK is actually far more welcoming of migrants that much of Europe where it matters such as jobs and neighbours.

However I actually agree with David Cameron we should take migrants from their home country where we can properly vet them. We should not be rewarding the people traffickers.

One more point

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npn Crowborough 24 Apr 18 10.16am
Originally posted by serial thriller The women at Yarl's Wood Detention Centre have been staging a hunger strike for nearly two weeks now, not only based on their treatment - which has included routine sexual abuse and physical violence - but also on the lack of adequate healthcare, and the lack of pay for carrying out work within the centre. Any and all detainees should be treated with respect, therefore the claims of sexual assault and violence should be thoroughly investigated and if anything is proven, acted on immediately. As for paying for work carried out at the centre, there are two ways to look at that: 1. they are paid in food and lodging (I appreciate that's a controversial one and leads to claims of slave labour, but I thought I'd chuck it out there) 2. (and the most important one) they CAN'T pay them - they are alleged illegal immigrants. If they pay them, they are effectively employing them, and they are not legally allowed to work in this country.
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Crowborough 24 Apr 18 10.16am

Originally posted by serial thriller

The women at Yarl's Wood Detention Centre have been staging a hunger strike for nearly two weeks now, not only based on their treatment - which has included routine sexual abuse and physical violence - but also on the lack of adequate healthcare, and the lack of pay for carrying out work within the centre.

Any and all detainees should be treated with respect, therefore the claims of sexual assault and violence should be thoroughly investigated and if anything is proven, acted on immediately. As for paying for work carried out at the centre, there are two ways to look at that:

1. they are paid in food and lodging (I appreciate that's a controversial one and leads to claims of slave labour, but I thought I'd chuck it out there)
2. (and the most important one) they CAN'T pay them - they are alleged illegal immigrants. If they pay them, they are effectively employing them, and they are not legally allowed to work in this country.

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Stirlingsays 24 Apr 18 10.24am
Originally posted by npn Any and all detainees should be treated with respect, therefore the claims of sexual assault and violence should be thoroughly investigated and if anything is proven, acted on immediately. As for paying for work carried out at the centre, there are two ways to look at that: 1. they are paid in food and lodging (I appreciate that's a controversial one and leads to claims of slave labour, but I thought I'd chuck it out there) 2. (and the most important one) they CAN'T pay them - they are alleged illegal immigrants. If they pay them, they are effectively employing them, and they are not legally allowed to work in this country. Treating people with respect? Why do you feel the need to say this? People should be treated fairly and I'm sure they are. There should be no implication that people aren't treated with respect unless there is some kind of evidence for that. As for sexual assault.....well that's the law. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Apr 2018 10.25am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 Apr 18 10.24am

Originally posted by npn

Treating people with respect? Why do you feel the need to say this? People should be treated fairly and I'm sure they are. There should be no implication that people aren't treated with respect unless there is some kind of evidence for that.

As for sexual assault.....well that's the law.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Apr 2018 10.25am)

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steeleye20 Croydon 24 Apr 18 10.56am
Originally posted by serial thriller So if they were smuggled here, or if their visa has run out, or if they are fleeing war and persecution and have family here as their only hope of safety, it is their own fault if they are raped and abused on British soil? This is the thing which amuses me. People have such a high regard of British sovereignty and law, yet when we don't abide by the international laws which we are signed up to, we can turn a blind eye. You don't have to agree with me on migration to feel injustice when women and families under our jueisdiction are being oppressed, and they have no recourse to basic medical and legal attention. If you or I go to court, we can at least count on the basic right of innocent until proven guilty. This is a key and crucial distinction between our courts and many in more corrupt societies. Yet these women are waiting on the verdict from asylum applications and migration hearings, and are clearly condwmned not only as guilty, but as below even the most basic of human rights. And this may well have happened to women you pass in the street, or who have given you professional help. 'We are on a hunger strike because we are suffering unfair imprisonment and racist abuse in this archaic institution in Britain'. They have not committed criminal offences so should not be imprisoned.
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Croydon 24 Apr 18 10.56am

Originally posted by serial thriller

This is the thing which amuses me. People have such a high regard of British sovereignty and law, yet when we don't abide by the international laws which we are signed up to, we can turn a blind eye.

You don't have to agree with me on migration to feel injustice when women and families under our jueisdiction are being oppressed, and they have no recourse to basic medical and legal attention.

'We are on a hunger strike because we are suffering unfair imprisonment and racist abuse in this archaic institution in Britain'.

They have not committed criminal offences so should not be imprisoned.

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becky over the moon 24 Apr 18 11.24am
Originally posted by serial thriller The women at Yarl's Wood Detention Centre have been staging a hunger strike for nearly two weeks now, not only based on their treatment - which has included routine sexual abuse and physical violence - but also on the lack of adequate healthcare, and the lack of pay for carrying out work within the centre. For those of you who aren't aware of what Yarl's Wood is, it's a private detention centre run by Serco for the Home Office. It includes asylum seekers, women escaping war or murder in their own countries, and many who have their migration cases pending. [Link] What do people make of this happening in our country? Just to spice the thread up, here's every HOL'ers favourite MP for Hackney with a stimulating and heartfelt account of her visit to the centre and continual work in Parliament to bring these women and families to justice: [Link] This is not what the article says! "The research, by charity Women for Refugee Women, revealed that 85 per cent of women who had sought asylum and been detained after the new policy came into force were survivors of rape or other gender-based violence, including forced marriage, female genital mutilation and forced prostitution." The rape and sexual abuse etc. has taken place in their country of origin, and that is why they have fled to this country. Nowhere does the article, or the quotes from the female detainees say that they have suffered any sexual abuse or rape at the centre. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 24 Apr 18 11.24am

Originally posted by serial thriller

The women at Yarl's Wood Detention Centre have been staging a hunger strike for nearly two weeks now, not only based on their treatment - which has included routine sexual abuse and physical violence - but also on the lack of adequate healthcare, and the lack of pay for carrying out work within the centre.

For those of you who aren't aware of what Yarl's Wood is, it's a private detention centre run by Serco for the Home Office. It includes asylum seekers, women escaping war or murder in their own countries, and many who have their migration cases pending.

[Link]

What do people make of this happening in our country?

Just to spice the thread up, here's every HOL'ers favourite MP for Hackney with a stimulating and heartfelt account of her visit to the centre and continual work in Parliament to bring these women and families to justice: [Link]

This is not what the article says!

"The research, by charity Women for Refugee Women, revealed that 85 per cent of women who had sought asylum and been detained after the new policy came into force were survivors of rape or other gender-based violence, including forced marriage, female genital mutilation and forced prostitution."

The rape and sexual abuse etc. has taken place in their country of origin, and that is why they have fled to this country. Nowhere does the article, or the quotes from the female detainees say that they have suffered any sexual abuse or rape at the centre.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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