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Safe Standing Bid Rejected By Goverment
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 palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 10 Apr 18 10.55am |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Nobody would have died without the concentration camp security fences and inept policing and management. To blame this on standing is to still blame the supporters - as the government always has. The reason for the security fences in those days, which impeded egress onto the pitch, was because of the hooliganism and pitch invasions. By supporters. So yes, ultimately it’s the supporters to blame.
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DutchEagleJohan  Vlissingen, Netherlands 10 Apr 18 11.06am |
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Is this your way to push a point? And what point exactly? It is a fact that in today's game a significant minority of spectators stands up, in spaces that are not designed for that and that certainly do not necessarily make it safer. Are most of those mindless violent hooligans who need protecting from themselves? Or do you want to minimalise risk? You even seem to contribute a "selling one ticket per space" to the all seater policy. Originally posted by PZ Eagle
So how many people have been crushed to death since all seat stadiums have been the law?? Edited by PZ Eagle (10 Apr 2018 10.27am)
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topcat  Holmesdale / Surbiton 10 Apr 18 11.11am |
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Originally posted by PZ Eagle
You are missing the point entirely. Had it been all seat stadium then the match would have been all ticket so only the required number of tickets would have been sold ie 2000 seats only 2000 people, one per seat and no rush of fans into the Leppings Lane stand to cause a crush. Same as Selhurst Park today one ticket per seat and when all have been sold that's it, no more fans allowed in. It was an FA Cup semi-final, I'm pretty sure that it was all ticket and the correct number of tickets were sold. The problem was that too many people were crushed into one section of the terrace rather than being told to go to other parts of the terrace that weren't full.
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| PZ Eagle Penzance 10 Apr 18 11.17am |
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Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan
Is this your way to push a point? And what point exactly? It is a fact that in today's game a significant minority of spectators stands up, in spaces that are not designed for that and that certainly do not necessarily make it safer. Are most of those mindless violent hooligans who need protecting from themselves? Or do you want to minimalise risk? You even seem to contribute a "selling one ticket per space" to the all seater policy. So if the stadium has 25000 seats would anyone be so stupid as to sell 30000 tickets. No of course they wouldn't because you sell the tickets with the seat numbers on them and when they are all sold that's it - stadium full.
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saveloy  carmarthen 10 Apr 18 11.28am |
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I thought that there was a lot of Liverpool fans without tickets which seems to be ignored.
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| DutchEagleJohan Vlissingen, Netherlands 10 Apr 18 11.29am |
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I get you entirely. Obviously this could not be done with old fashioned terraces, amount of tickets sold was unlimited and people just squeezed in like the olden days. And certainly with a modern type of rail standing it would never be possible to allocate spaces rather then seats. Point made. Originally posted by PZ Eagle
So if the stadium has 25000 seats would anyone be so stupid as to sell 30000 tickets. No of course they wouldn't because you sell the tickets with the seat numbers on them and when they are all sold that's it - stadium full.
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| DutchEagleJohan Vlissingen, Netherlands 10 Apr 18 11.31am |
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The real problem was that the central pens were overcrowded when there was still plenty of space in the side ones. Not helped by crowd management for which "atrocious" would be a compliment. Originally posted by saveloy
I thought that there was a lot of Liverpool fans without tickets which seems to be ignored.
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| PZ Eagle Penzance 10 Apr 18 11.36am |
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Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan
The real problem was that the central pens were overcrowded when there was still plenty of space in the side ones. Not helped by crowd management for which "atrocious" would be a compliment. I can agree with you on that one.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 10 Apr 18 12.31pm |
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Originally posted by PZ Eagle
Just consider that if Hillsborough had been an all seater 96 people would not have died. Funny how you conveniently ignore the other major factors to the majority of deaths...i.e fans laying others on their backs and not in the recovery positions, the decision to let fans in that didnt have tickets. So a simplistic and nonsensical conclusion on your part.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 10 Apr 18 12.32pm |
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This is a good article following on from the decision yesterday..
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jeeagles  10 Apr 18 12.33pm |
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Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan
Is this your way to push a point? And what point exactly? It is a fact that in today's game a significant minority of spectators stands up, in spaces that are not designed for that and that certainly do not necessarily make it safer. Are most of those mindless violent hooligans who need protecting from themselves? Or do you want to minimalise risk? You even seem to contribute a "selling one ticket per space" to the all seater policy. How many people have died due to crushes on terraces not involving Liverpool Football Club? Liverpool 135. Every other English club 0. Plus Hillsborough didn't have an up to date safety certificate, and the people in charge were underqualified.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 10 Apr 18 1.15pm |
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The system of safe rail standing at Celtic looks fine. You have your seat with a key by which you close the seat up and stand instead against secure railing, in a designated area, can't see any problems with it. Liverpool people understandably opposed now thinking it over after checking it out.
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