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Park Road 06 Apr 18 4.21pm | |
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Originally posted by pefwin
and it would have been classed as a hate crime, virtually all have a term of imprisonment attached. A hate crime is the mistaken belief that crimes committed against special interest groups (e.g. homosexuals, ethnic minorities etc) are somehow worse than the same crimes committed against anybody else, and therefore should be punished more severely. Another example of the insanity of how easy it is to manipulate society Edited by Park Road (06 Apr 2018 4.34pm)
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 06 Apr 18 5.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
A hate crime is the mistaken belief that crimes committed against special interest groups (e.g. homosexuals, ethnic minorities etc) are somehow worse than the same crimes committed against anybody else, and therefore should be punished more severely. Another example of the insanity of how easy it is to manipulate society Edited by Park Road (06 Apr 2018 4.34pm)
FLA showing its colours.
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Park Road 06 Apr 18 5.41pm | |
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Originally posted by pefwin
FLA showing its colours. it's called an opinion you plum not in any law books. not sure why you brought the FLA into it unless, you hate them and you think you should turn yourself in. Edited by Park Road (06 Apr 2018 5.44pm)
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Stirlingsays 06 Apr 18 6.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I believe the courts take into account previous convictions. I attended court to support a mate saw a guy sent to prison just for forging his tax disc. He had a long history of violent street crime. His brief argued he had mended his ways and that he was now in education taking a computer course and the court should be lenient. The magistrate pointed out that he had used his new acquired skills to forge his car tax disc. In other words he had progressed from street crime to white collar crime and that is why he went down. My mate on the other hand was told by his brief he was going down. He didn't as the same magistrate showed leniency as it was his first offense. Unfairness in sentencing is often pointed out by the BME community but it is difficult to compare like for like as defendants will often have different previous convictions. Edited by Badger11 (06 Apr 2018 8.28am) It's a nuanced situation. If you have already been punished for past crimes and are up for a non violent offence....it's a stretch to send someone to prison. As we know...this guy is now dead. The older I get the more disconnected I become with the people in power of our institutions.
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Stirlingsays 06 Apr 18 6.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
A hate crime is the mistaken belief that crimes committed against special interest groups (e.g. homosexuals, ethnic minorities etc) are somehow worse than the same crimes committed against anybody else, and therefore should be punished more severely. Another example of the insanity of how easy it is to manipulate society Edited by Park Road (06 Apr 2018 4.34pm) Apparently you can't 'dislike' something nowadays....in our hyperbolic society you apparently 'hate' it. It's black and white, it's the death of nuance. You are of course correct that the far left are all about 'protected classes' and the oppression/oppressor narrative. These people are anti meritocracy and about equality of outcomes. I think some of them are actually nice people and mean well, but I don't regard them as students of history.....others believe in utopias and just want to watch modern capitalism burn with all the terrible consequences that would come from that. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Apr 2018 9.53pm)
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Park Road 07 Apr 18 7.03am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Apparently you can't 'dislike' something nowadays....in our hyperbolic society you apparently 'hate' it. It's black and white, it's the death of nuance. You are of course correct that the far left are all about 'protected classes' and the oppression/oppressor narrative. These people are anti meritocracy and about equality of outcomes. I think some of them are actually nice people and mean well, but I don't regard them as students of history.....others believe in utopias and just want to watch modern capitalism burn with all the terrible consequences that would come from that. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Apr 2018 9.53pm) Nice people who mean well understand both sides of any argument. Nice people who just can't see past their own blinkered views are those who not necessarily can't understand but who go out of their way not to understand. I'm A- political. I say that but I'm probably not. As for consequences egos don't recognise them Edited by Park Road (07 Apr 2018 7.04am)
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Stirlingsays 07 Apr 18 7.12am | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
Nice people who mean well understand both sides of any argument. Nice people who just can't see past their own blinkered views are those who not necessarily can't understand but who go out of their way not to understand. I'm A- political. I say that but I'm probably not. As for consequences egos don't recognise them Edited by Park Road (07 Apr 2018 7.04am) I'd say intelligent people understand both sides of an argument if they choose to consider them. Still, it must be observed that this doesn't mean that two intelligent people are going to always agree because many judgements are subjective and qualitative rather than quantitative. Nice people are just nice people....Nice insomuch as they mean well, which isn't the same as being competent or necessarily correct. I can think of examples in my own family of people I know mean well but they have just been indoctrinated by society's (media and education) very simplistic lessons. Most of their viewpoints come from what they 'feel' is right rather than from any significant reflections or research upon the issues.
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Park Road 07 Apr 18 7.41am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'd say intelligent people understand both sides of an argument if they choose to consider them. Still, it must be observed that this doesn't mean that two intelligent people are going to always agree because many judgements are subjective and qualitative rather than quantitative. Nice people are just nice people....Nice insomuch as they mean well, which isn't the same as being competent or necessarily correct. I can think of examples in my own family of people I know mean well but they have just been indoctrinated by society's (media and education) very simplistic lessons. Most of their viewpoints come from what they 'feel' is right rather than from any significant reflections or research upon the issues.
The way you destroy the bad ideas is with better ones. Screaming names like bigot, racist, homophobe, xenophobe to a person you disagree with throws out the possibility of engaging in important dialogue that should be had. It is counterproductive to the individual and society as a whole to shelter ourselves and allow emotion to reign over facts. That is not how we evolve. So, instead of whining and playing the victim as so many on here do it’s time to start thinking.
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Stirlingsays 07 Apr 18 8.41am | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
The way you destroy the bad ideas is with better ones. Screaming names like bigot, racist, homophobe, xenophobe to a person you disagree with throws out the possibility of engaging in important dialogue that should be had. It is counterproductive to the individual and society as a whole to shelter ourselves and allow emotion to reign over facts. That is not how we evolve. So, instead of whining and playing the victim as so many on here do it’s time to start thinking. I agree with you completely. I think your view is one that many people on both the left and right agree with. It's a specific political illiberal ideology that seeks to close down speech and opinions that counter its ideas....often by playing a victim card to censor others. At the moment this witch-hunting purity testing ideology has hegemony within the political and corporate spaces. However the movement against its excesses is gathering steam and I think will eventually win out. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Apr 2018 8.43am)
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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 07 Apr 18 9.15am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Why do we still not know the circumstances surrounding the death of Kevin Crehan in prison? This guy died in late 2016 for crying out loud. He did do an offensive act that required consequence (attaching bacon to Mosque doors, leaving bacon sandwiches there and graffiti). However, this was an offence more suitable to community service and a fine than prison. But in a culture that convicts comedians for bad taste jokes this is the type of politically correct activist morons we currently have running the show. This guy is dead and unless it's natural causes the so called justice system has some responsibility for that. we all pretty much know how it happened.
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Park Road 07 Apr 18 9.45am | |
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I think this is the kind of stuff TR, is fighting against. Video showing sharia law being taught in UK Islamic schools
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Park Road 07 Apr 18 9.47am | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
I think this is the kind of stuff TR, is fighting against. Video showing sharia law being taught in UK Islamic schools Sorry, wrong thread needs to be in Tommy Robinson one. Can the Mods please move it if possible Edited by Park Road (07 Apr 2018 9.49am)
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