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 npn  Crowborough 05 Apr 18 1.41pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
It's UEFA, the punishment will be cash. As much of it as their rules allow them to pocket. I presume, if there is a punishment, that all 92 league clubs will be expected to hold a minutes silence in support?
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| Stuk Top half 05 Apr 18 1.59pm |
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Originally posted by npn
I presume, if there is a punishment, that all 92 league clubs will be expected to hold a minutes silence in support? Just the league clubs?
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| Stuk Top half 05 Apr 18 3.17pm |
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The case will not be heard by UEFA's disciplinary body until May 31 after the final, meaning any sanctions would apply only next season. They're the biggest bunch of cop-out w***stains out there.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Apr 18 3.24pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
The case will not be heard by UEFA's disciplinary body until May 31 after the final, meaning any sanctions would apply only next season. They're the biggest bunch of cop-out w***stains out there. All the problems occurred outside the ground and Liverpool might argue that as a club they cannot be held responsible for baying hordes not on club territory. If our supporters behaved in such disgraceful fashion and attacked the Brighton team coach in Whitehorse Lane well away from the ground would our club be culpable ? By the way this is not a rhetorical question.Just trying to clarify the parameters regarding clubs being responsible for the behaviour of their supporters. Edited by Willo (05 Apr 2018 3.27pm)
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| Stuk Top half 05 Apr 18 3.37pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
All the problems occurred outside the ground and Liverpool might argue that as a club they cannot be held responsible for baying hordes not on club territory. If our supporters behaved in such disgraceful fashion and attacked the Brighton team coach in Whitehorse Lane well away from the ground would our club be culpable ? By the way this is not a rhetorical question.Just trying to clarify the parameters regarding clubs being responsible for the behaviour of their supporters. Edited by Willo (05 Apr 2018 3.27pm) As I stated in my first post - the club encouraged it, ergo they're culpable. Earlier on Wednesday, Merseyside Police had issued a statement saying the two team coaches would "not be taking their usual route" because of "building works and to ensure the safety of fans". Liverpool also disseminated that information and asked their supporters "to gather to show their passion and support for the team... in a friendly, respectful and considerate manner". You can even tell that the last part is an afterthought to attempt to cover their own arses.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Apr 18 3.47pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
As I stated in my first post - the club encouraged it, ergo they're culpable. Earlier on Wednesday, Merseyside Police had issued a statement saying the two team coaches would "not be taking their usual route" because of "building works and to ensure the safety of fans". You can even tell that the last part is an afterthought to attempt to cover their own arses. I am led to believe that the Police issued the statement about the change of route as they didn't want supporters gathering along the normal route, then noticing the coaches arriving via another route and there being a gargantuan surge towards the vehicles which of course might prove highly dangerous. Edited by Willo (05 Apr 2018 3.48pm)
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| Stuk Top half 05 Apr 18 4.02pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I am led to believe that the Police issued the statement about the change of route as they didn't want supporters gathering along the normal route, then noticing the coaches arriving via another route and there being a gargantuan surge towards the vehicles which of course might prove highly dangerous. Edited by Willo (05 Apr 2018 3.48pm) I'm not talking about the police, see the statement from Liverpool. Why would they feel the need to mention doing it "in a friendly, respectful and considerate manner" if they really expected their fans to support the team, as oppose to attempting to intimidate or smash up the opposition?
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Apr 18 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
I'm not talking about the police, see the statement from Liverpool. Why would they feel the need to mention doing it "in a friendly, respectful and considerate manner" if they really expected their fans to support the team, as oppose to attempting to intimidate or smash up the opposition? I of course don't know the reason for their statement but I cannot see that their motivation was to encourage the sort of behaviour witnessed last night. Perhaps they felt supporters were going to gather en-masse anyway (They might already do this for home matches) hence their message about being friendly,respectful and considerate. It has been reported that UEFA has charged Liverpool after objects were thrown and fireworks set off inside the ground during the game and perhaps the charge was for this alone and not for the disgraceful behaviour outside.As I mentioned I am unclear as to the parameters regarding club responsibility in terms of the behaviour of its supporters.
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| Stuk Top half 05 Apr 18 4.21pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I of course don't know the reason for their statement but I cannot see that their motivation was to encourage the sort of behaviour witnessed last night. Perhaps they felt supporters were going to gather en-masse anyway (They might already do this for home matches) hence their message about being friendly,respectful and considerate. It has been reported that UEFA has charged Liverpool after objects were thrown and fireworks set off inside the ground during the game and perhaps the charge was for this alone and not for the disgraceful behaviour outside.As I mentioned I am unclear as to the parameters regarding club responsibility in terms of the behaviour of its supporters. Read between the lines occasionally would you? It's clear to see what the club wanted, and their supporters duly obliged. "The charges of setting off fireworks and throwing of objects relate to incidents from inside the ground and the charges of acts of damage and crowd disturbances relate to incidents involving the Manchester City FC team bus." Culpable, to repeat myself.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Apr 18 4.31pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Read between the lines occasionally would you? It's clear to see what the club wanted, and their supporters duly obliged. "The charges of setting off fireworks and throwing of objects relate to incidents from inside the ground and the charges of acts of damage and crowd disturbances relate to incidents involving the Manchester City FC team bus." Culpable, to repeat myself. With respect,I am perfectly capable of understanding a statement and forming an opinion as to any underlying message. At the end of the day I cannot see why Liverpool as a club desired wanton violence and were therefore pleased when it occurred. Let's focus on those hoodlums who behaved like savages and one can only hope they are identified and brought to justice.I really cannot accept that their disgraceful behaviour was influenced or encouraged by Liverpool FC - there would have been the ugly scenes even if Liverpool had not issued any statement. Edited by Willo (05 Apr 2018 4.38pm)
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| Stuk Top half 05 Apr 18 5.24pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
With respect,I am perfectly capable of understanding a statement and forming an opinion as to any underlying message. At the end of the day I cannot see why Liverpool as a club desired wanton violence and were therefore pleased when it occurred. Let's focus on those hoodlums who behaved like savages and one can only hope they are identified and brought to justice.I really cannot accept that their disgraceful behaviour was influenced or encouraged by Liverpool FC - there would have been the ugly scenes even if Liverpool had not issued any statement. Edited by Willo (05 Apr 2018 4.38pm) With respect, you have proven that you can't. You take everything as verbatim. I focused on the t***s who did it with my first two words in the thread. We can think outside of the box however.
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chateauferret  05 Apr 18 5.26pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
As I stated in my first post - the club encouraged it, ergo they're culpable. Earlier on Wednesday, Merseyside Police had issued a statement saying the two team coaches would "not be taking their usual route" because of "building works and to ensure the safety of fans". Liverpool also disseminated that information and asked their supporters "to gather to show their passion and support for the team... in a friendly, respectful and considerate manner". You can even tell that the last part is an afterthought to attempt to cover their own arses. Friendly, respectable and considerate? In Liverpool? Come off it.
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