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kenners46 sydenham village 28 Mar 18 9.18am
Should it really be down to the referee to make the decision, i thought there was supposed to be another official in the stands who views it and decides like cricket and rugby
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sydenham village 28 Mar 18 9.18am

Should it really be down to the referee to make the decision, i thought there was supposed to be another official in the stands who views it and decides like cricket and rugby

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DutchEagleJohan Vlissingen, Netherlands 28 Mar 18 9.38am
Since when is "intention" part of a decision wheter a foul is a foul? There is an element of it in handball, which also is a dubious part as it is impossible to judge on, but surely it is nothing to do with fouls. Do you think the Italian player was diving? Originally posted by steeleye20 Not for me, no intention, Southgate glad it didn't happen in a World Cup game (yet). I can see players 'learning' about the VAR and who is deciding what is 'clear' makes it subjective. Still hoping for its ultimate success though, like the cricket system where its proven technology.
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Since when is "intention" part of a decision wheter a foul is a foul? There is an element of it in handball, which also is a dubious part as it is impossible to judge on, but surely it is nothing to do with fouls.

Do you think the Italian player was diving?

Originally posted by steeleye20

Not for me, no intention, Southgate glad it didn't happen in a World Cup game (yet).

I can see players 'learning' about the VAR and who is deciding what is 'clear' makes it subjective.

Still hoping for its ultimate success though, like the cricket system where its proven technology.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 28 Mar 18 1.37pm
Concerned about the playing it out from the back requiring Stones to unnecessarily turn players in possession in and on the edge of the area. Has this t1t not learnt his lesson yet? Had an Acca which should've returned nicely last night if the Columbian striker could notch one of the 4 chances from 2-3 yards out he had. What a cvnt. The free bet refund softened the blow a slight amount. Edited by Rudi Hedman (28 Mar 2018 1.37pm) COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 28 Mar 18 1.37pm

Concerned about the playing it out from the back requiring Stones to unnecessarily turn players in possession in and on the edge of the area. Has this t1t not learnt his lesson yet?

Had an Acca which should've returned nicely last night if the Columbian striker could notch one of the 4 chances from 2-3 yards out he had. What a cvnt. The free bet refund softened the blow a slight amount.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (28 Mar 2018 1.37pm)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Mar 18 1.41pm
Originally posted by jeeagles Not much has been said about the fact he was going down prior to his foot being stepped on without any contact after losing possession. Therefore, the scoring opportunity had already gone. I'm not sure there was a clear and obvious error here so I'm not convinced it should have been reviewed in the first place. It looked like more of a simple coming together of players. I believe there is going to be quite a debate as to what is a "Clear and obvious error".Very subjective. In terms of the review, the referee would have been advised by the VAR to watch footrage of the incident and reconsider his decision. Edited by Willo (28 Mar 2018 1.50pm)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Mar 18 1.41pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Not much has been said about the fact he was going down prior to his foot being stepped on without any contact after losing possession. Therefore, the scoring opportunity had already gone.

I'm not sure there was a clear and obvious error here so I'm not convinced it should have been reviewed in the first place.

It looked like more of a simple coming together of players.

I believe there is going to be quite a debate as to what is a "Clear and obvious error".Very subjective.

In terms of the review, the referee would have been advised by the VAR to watch footrage of the incident and reconsider his decision.

Edited by Willo (28 Mar 2018 1.50pm)

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palace chick South Croydon 28 Mar 18 9.39pm
Originally posted by Willo I believe there is going to be quite a debate as to what is a "Clear and obvious error".Very subjective. In terms of the review, the referee would have been advised by the VAR to watch footrage of the incident and reconsider his decision. Edited by Willo (28 Mar 2018 1.50pm) Just advising the ref to look at the VAR could put doubt in his mind and for him to reverse his initial thoughts - don’t like the ref having this control. It should be someone else telling him it should have been a penalty. As it was, I was surprised it wasn’t given without VAR as most of us in real time must of believed it was a pen. I then thought when seeing it again, well done ref as it wasn’t a pen. In my opinion for it to work, it has to be done by a ref watching it of the pitch and telling the ref on the pitch what the decision should be?
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palace chick

South Croydon 28 Mar 18 9.39pm

Originally posted by Willo

I believe there is going to be quite a debate as to what is a "Clear and obvious error".Very subjective.

In terms of the review, the referee would have been advised by the VAR to watch footrage of the incident and reconsider his decision.

Edited by Willo (28 Mar 2018 1.50pm)

Just advising the ref to look at the VAR could put doubt in his mind and for him to reverse his initial thoughts - don’t like the ref having this control. It should be someone else telling him it should have been a penalty. As it was, I was surprised it wasn’t given without VAR as most of us in real time must of believed it was a pen. I then thought when seeing it again, well done ref as it wasn’t a pen. In my opinion for it to work, it has to be done by a ref watching it of the pitch and telling the ref on the pitch what the decision should be?

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chateauferret 28 Mar 18 9.54pm
Originally posted by jeeagles Not much has been said about the fact he was going down prior to his foot being stepped on without any contact after losing possession. Therefore, the scoring opportunity had already gone. I'm not sure there was a clear and obvious error here so I'm not convinced it should have been reviewed in the first place. It looked like more of a simple coming together of players. Well that's what I thought. The ref only reviewed it because of Italian histrionics, which I didn't think were a criterion for the ref going and watching telly. Then the offence itself might have been given as a penalty I suppose, but since it doesn't amount to a "clear and obvious error" I would have expected the video ref to give it as umpire's call. ============ The Ferret ============
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chateauferret

28 Mar 18 9.54pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Not much has been said about the fact he was going down prior to his foot being stepped on without any contact after losing possession. Therefore, the scoring opportunity had already gone.

I'm not sure there was a clear and obvious error here so I'm not convinced it should have been reviewed in the first place.

It looked like more of a simple coming together of players.

Well that's what I thought. The ref only reviewed it because of Italian histrionics, which I didn't think were a criterion for the ref going and watching telly. Then the offence itself might have been given as a penalty I suppose, but since it doesn't amount to a "clear and obvious error" I would have expected the video ref to give it as umpire's call.

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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Mar 18 9.54pm
Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan Since when is "intention" part of a decision wheter a foul is a foul? There is an element of it in handball, which also is a dubious part as it is impossible to judge on, but surely it is nothing to do with fouls. Do you think the Italian player was diving? Yes I think the Italy player was going down. Good penalty conversion, wasn't it?. 'clear and obvious error' who decides, that is subjective.
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steeleye20

Croydon 28 Mar 18 9.54pm

Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan

Do you think the Italian player was diving?

Yes I think the Italy player was going down.

Good penalty conversion, wasn't it?.

'clear and obvious error' who decides, that is subjective.

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Direwolf Lincoln 28 Mar 18 10.29pm
I must admit that I thought the ref had been advised via his earpiece to look at it again via VAR. Presumably that means it came from the remote ref?
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Lincoln 28 Mar 18 10.29pm

I must admit that I thought the ref had been advised via his earpiece to look at it again via VAR. Presumably that means it came from the remote ref?

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dreamwaverider London 29 Mar 18 6.44am
If I was in charge I would i would make VAR the same as tennis where the players call for the camera review. I would give both managers the chance to make 2 appeals per half. The decision would then be made by the techno guys in the stands and the ref would be told the decision. At the moment this just puts more pressure and confusion on the ref. The idea of technology is to take the heat off the pitch so the camera removes any doubt. In this case the decision you are debating is removed from the pitch just like in tennis cricket and rugby.
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If I was in charge I would i would make VAR the same as tennis where the players call for the camera review. I would give both managers the chance to make 2 appeals per half. The decision would then be made by the techno guys in the stands and the ref would be told the decision. At the moment this just puts more pressure and confusion on the ref.
The idea of technology is to take the heat off the pitch so the camera removes any doubt.
In this case the decision you are debating is removed from the pitch just like in tennis cricket and rugby.

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dreamwaverider London 29 Mar 18 6.50am
Originally posted by Willo I believe there is going to be quite a debate as to what is a "Clear and obvious error".Very subjective. In terms of the review, the referee would have been advised by the VAR to watch footrage of the incident and reconsider his decision. Edited by Willo (28 Mar 2018 1.50pm) But surely if you accidentally trip a player up which is undoubtedly what happened it is still a penalty. If that had been Wilf for Palace we would all have called it.
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dreamwaverider

London 29 Mar 18 6.50am

Originally posted by Willo

I believe there is going to be quite a debate as to what is a "Clear and obvious error".Very subjective.

In terms of the review, the referee would have been advised by the VAR to watch footrage of the incident and reconsider his decision.

Edited by Willo (28 Mar 2018 1.50pm)

But surely if you accidentally trip a player up which is undoubtedly what happened it is still a penalty.
If that had been Wilf for Palace we would all have called it.

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CrazyBadger Ware 29 Mar 18 9.16am
Originally posted by dreamwaverider If I was in charge I would i would make VAR the same as tennis where the players call for the camera review. I would give both managers the chance to make 2 appeals per half. The decision would then be made by the techno guys in the stands and the ref would be told the decision. At the moment this just puts more pressure and confusion on the ref. The idea of technology is to take the heat off the pitch so the camera removes any doubt. In this case the decision you are debating is removed from the pitch just like in tennis cricket and rugby. problem is with this is that it is too open for misuse. it's open to be used tactically - for timewasting and to break up the play. Also, what decisions are open for a manager to appeal? i.e. If a ref is playing advantage, can a manager stop that advantage and ask for a review? nice idea, but can't see it working in football. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 29 Mar 18 9.16am

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

problem is with this is that it is too open for misuse. it's open to be used tactically - for timewasting and to break up the play.
Also, what decisions are open for a manager to appeal? i.e. If a ref is playing advantage, can a manager stop that advantage and ask for a review?
nice idea, but can't see it working in football.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Painter Croydon 29 Mar 18 10.48am
Forget all the VAR nonsense, it deflected how poor England are. They struggled to a draw against a poor Italian side. How that lad from Burnley is playing instead of Dunk from Brighton is a mystery. Watching England play is painful, when you have the likes of Henderson and Dier in midfield, you know it’s going awful. The only bright star is when Sterling or Vardy gets the ball, the rest are just not very good at this level.
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Painter

Croydon 29 Mar 18 10.48am

Forget all the VAR nonsense, it deflected how poor England are. They struggled to a draw against a poor Italian side. How that lad from Burnley is playing instead of Dunk from Brighton is a mystery.
Watching England play is painful, when you have the likes of Henderson and Dier in midfield, you know it’s going awful. The only bright star is when Sterling or Vardy gets the ball, the rest are just not very good at this level.

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