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Stirlingsays 20 Mar 18 6.00pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Ain't that the truth, although I'm not too impressed with land grabbing, although that's Zionism but acceptable to US Jews. Once the nation was created I didn't have an issue with Jewish nationalism or Zionism as you say...It's necessary if you are going to have a nation...However, like Einstein said...that doesn't mean the 1947 UN decision was the correct one. I do agree with you that the land grabs on the west bank aren't the answer at all. It's not ok....at all....rightly illegal. The whole situation is a sh1t show......I mean if you defend the Palestinians you quickly run into the problem of Hamas......An organization that makes the current Israeli government look like the friendly bloke down your pub. I'll have Israel any day of the week rather than Hamas.......like preferring a thief to a wife beater. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Mar 2018 6.03pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Mar 18 6.00pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Ain't that the truth, although I'm not too impressed with land grabbing, although that's Zionism but acceptable to US Jews.

Once the nation was created I didn't have an issue with Jewish nationalism or Zionism as you say...It's necessary if you are going to have a nation...However, like Einstein said...that doesn't mean the 1947 UN decision was the correct one.

I do agree with you that the land grabs on the west bank aren't the answer at all. It's not ok....at all....rightly illegal.

The whole situation is a sh1t show......I mean if you defend the Palestinians you quickly run into the problem of Hamas......An organization that makes the current Israeli government look like the friendly bloke down your pub.

I'll have Israel any day of the week rather than Hamas.......like preferring a thief to a wife beater.

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johnfirewall 20 Mar 18 10.47pm
It's fair to take the default position that if someone believes something so fcuking ridiculous then it's based on some sort of prejudice or at best ignorance. Flat-earthers are morons working on the assumption that heaven has to be above us. Other religious fundamentalists are against non-believers so that makes them anti whatever the other people are. If I have an irrational fear that someone of another race or religion is out to control, oppress or harm me, it's likely based on their race or religion. So yeah, and I'll go as far as to extend it to Reggie Yates who expressed his pleasure at the fact that digital media means rappers are no longer controlled by 'fat Jewish managers'
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20 Mar 18 10.47pm

It's fair to take the default position that if someone believes something so fcuking ridiculous then it's based on some sort of prejudice or at best ignorance.

Flat-earthers are morons working on the assumption that heaven has to be above us. Other religious fundamentalists are against non-believers so that makes them anti whatever the other people are.

If I have an irrational fear that someone of another race or religion is out to control, oppress or harm me, it's likely based on their race or religion.

So yeah, and I'll go as far as to extend it to Reggie Yates who expressed his pleasure at the fact that digital media means rappers are no longer controlled by 'fat Jewish managers'

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Mapletree Croydon 21 Mar 18 10.43am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays What he said was scientifically stupid. For that he should be heavily criticised considering his role.....but that's where it should end. However, I want to make a point about Jewish activism that is at the very vanguard of banning any criticism of anything Jewish. Jewish activist groups hold too much power in this sense, especially in the US and it's completely out of order. While things like denying the holocaust are also....completely stupid and/or deliberately unethical in terms of honest appraisal of all the evidence I highly object to it being illegal as it is in some parts of Europe. As a group I'm very much in favour of the Jews....they have higher average IQs than most other groups and many of them reach high positions in many professions.....and most importantly they integrate into their host cultures.....not try to force them to change to fit theirs. The reality that as our percentage of Muslims goes up that our percentage of Jews goes down is a very poor exchange for those who value meritocracy. Having said that, Jewish activists who close down any criticism of anything Jewish are not ok. They are nearly as awful as those running cover for political and activist Islam. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Mar 2018 1.11am) So, just to be clear All Jewish people integrate into their host cultures and as such share the attitudes of their hosts. [Link] All Muslim people don't integrate, have bad attitudes towards women and don't care about the host countries' mores and attitudes Oh and all Christians in Ireland support the IRA.
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Croydon 21 Mar 18 10.43am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What he said was scientifically stupid.

For that he should be heavily criticised considering his role.....but that's where it should end.

However, I want to make a point about Jewish activism that is at the very vanguard of banning any criticism of anything Jewish.

Jewish activist groups hold too much power in this sense, especially in the US and it's completely out of order.

While things like denying the holocaust are also....completely stupid and/or deliberately unethical in terms of honest appraisal of all the evidence I highly object to it being illegal as it is in some parts of Europe.

As a group I'm very much in favour of the Jews....they have higher average IQs than most other groups and many of them reach high positions in many professions.....and most importantly they integrate into their host cultures.....not try to force them to change to fit theirs.

The reality that as our percentage of Muslims goes up that our percentage of Jews goes down is a very poor exchange for those who value meritocracy.

Having said that, Jewish activists who close down any criticism of anything Jewish are not ok.

They are nearly as awful as those running cover for political and activist Islam.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Mar 2018 1.11am)

So, just to be clear

All Jewish people integrate into their host cultures and as such share the attitudes of their hosts.

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All Muslim people don't integrate, have bad attitudes towards women and don't care about the host countries' mores and attitudes

Oh and all Christians in Ireland support the IRA.

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Stirlingsays 21 Mar 18 11.05am
Originally posted by Mapletree So, just to be clear All Jewish people integrate into their host cultures and as such share the attitudes of their hosts. [Link] All Muslim people don't integrate, have bad attitudes towards women and don't care about the host countries' mores and attitudes Oh and all Christians in Ireland support the IRA. I didn't say 'all'.....You have. You have posted a reply based upon being a literalist. It's obviously about percent and you....unfortunately are being disingenuous. Fancy doing interviews for channel four news? Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Mar 2018 11.06am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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21 Mar 18 11.05am

Originally posted by Mapletree

So, just to be clear

All Jewish people integrate into their host cultures and as such share the attitudes of their hosts.

[Link]

All Muslim people don't integrate, have bad attitudes towards women and don't care about the host countries' mores and attitudes

Oh and all Christians in Ireland support the IRA.

I didn't say 'all'.....You have.

You have posted a reply based upon being a literalist.

It's obviously about percent and you....unfortunately are being disingenuous.

Fancy doing interviews for channel four news?

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Mar 2018 11.06am)

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Mapletree Croydon 21 Mar 18 11.48am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I didn't say 'all'.....You have. You have posted a reply based upon being a literalist. It's obviously about percent and you....unfortunately are being disingenuous. Fancy doing interviews for channel four news? Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Mar 2018 11.06am) Now then, don't throw stones. I looked carefully at your posts. The missing logic is that 'Jews', like 'Muslims' and 'Christians' are not unitary. I believe many Jews aren't keen on Orthdox Jews. And don't forget the multiple schooling scandals. Muslims have many splits and it grinds my gears when people seem to conflate Sunnis and Shias. Would they do the same with Catholics and Protestants? By all means have a pop at Wahabbis but remember they hate the takfir much more than they hate the kafir.
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Croydon 21 Mar 18 11.48am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I didn't say 'all'.....You have.

You have posted a reply based upon being a literalist.

It's obviously about percent and you....unfortunately are being disingenuous.

Fancy doing interviews for channel four news?

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Mar 2018 11.06am)

Now then, don't throw stones.

I looked carefully at your posts. The missing logic is that 'Jews', like 'Muslims' and 'Christians' are not unitary. I believe many Jews aren't keen on Orthdox Jews. And don't forget the multiple schooling scandals. Muslims have many splits and it grinds my gears when people seem to conflate Sunnis and Shias. Would they do the same with Catholics and Protestants?

By all means have a pop at Wahabbis but remember they hate the takfir much more than they hate the kafir.

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Stirlingsays 21 Mar 18 12.13pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Now then, don't throw stones. I looked carefully at your posts. The missing logic is that 'Jews', like 'Muslims' and 'Christians' are not unitary. I believe many Jews aren't keen on Orthdox Jews. And don't forget the multiple schooling scandals. Muslims have many splits and it grinds my gears when people seem to conflate Sunnis and Shias. Would they do the same with Catholics and Protestants? By all means have a pop at Wahabbis but remember they hate the takfir much more than they hate the kafir. You looked carefully and came to poor conclusions based upon your own prejudices as far as I can see. You threw stones and then said I shouldn't. Your implied point that all groups are diverse so that no generalizations can be made about them is ludicrous. Obviously all groups are diverse, no two humans are exactly the same...I shouldn't have to state the frigging obvious in an adult forum before every frigging statement I make just to satisfy pedantics. How about this, take it as read that within this context I understand that all groups are made up by individuals and that what we are talking about are generalizations or percents and averages. It is a fact that all groups can be compared and an average or conclusion stated that can be true within that context. Science works this way and has used this method to produce conclusions upon many groups. Indeed I find it amusing that you moan about my generalisation of a group and then make your own stereotypical opinions about groups. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Mar 2018 12.16pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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21 Mar 18 12.13pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Now then, don't throw stones.

I looked carefully at your posts. The missing logic is that 'Jews', like 'Muslims' and 'Christians' are not unitary. I believe many Jews aren't keen on Orthdox Jews. And don't forget the multiple schooling scandals. Muslims have many splits and it grinds my gears when people seem to conflate Sunnis and Shias. Would they do the same with Catholics and Protestants?

By all means have a pop at Wahabbis but remember they hate the takfir much more than they hate the kafir.

You looked carefully and came to poor conclusions based upon your own prejudices as far as I can see. You threw stones and then said I shouldn't.

Your implied point that all groups are diverse so that no generalizations can be made about them is ludicrous.

Obviously all groups are diverse, no two humans are exactly the same...I shouldn't have to state the frigging obvious in an adult forum before every frigging statement I make just to satisfy pedantics.

How about this, take it as read that within this context I understand that all groups are made up by individuals and that what we are talking about are generalizations or percents and averages.

It is a fact that all groups can be compared and an average or conclusion stated that can be true within that context. Science works this way and has used this method to produce conclusions upon many groups.

Indeed I find it amusing that you moan about my generalisation of a group and then make your own stereotypical opinions about groups.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Mar 2018 12.16pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 21 Mar 18 1.25pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You looked carefully and came to poor conclusions based upon your own prejudices as far as I can see. You threw stones and then said I shouldn't. Your implied point that all groups are diverse so that no generalizations can be made about them is ludicrous. Obviously all groups are diverse, no two humans are exactly the same...I shouldn't have to state the frigging obvious in an adult forum before every frigging statement I make just to satisfy pedantics. How about this, take it as read that within this context I understand that all groups are made up by individuals and that what we are talking about are generalizations or percents and averages. It is a fact that all groups can be compared and an average or conclusion stated that can be true within that context. Science works this way and has used this method to produce conclusions upon many groups. Indeed I find it amusing that you moan about my generalisation of a group and then make your own stereotypical opinions about groups. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Mar 2018 12.16pm) You threw stones as you attacked me personally whereas I addressed a logical point. Any general statements I have made are matters of public record. This from the Huffington Post: ''Abd al-Wahhab demanded conformity — a conformity that was to be demonstrated in physical and tangible ways. He argued that all Muslims must individually pledge their allegiance to a single Muslim leader (a Caliph, if there were one). Those who would not conform to this view should be killed, their wives and daughters violated, and their possessions confiscated, he wrote. The list of apostates meriting death included the Shiite, Sufis and other Muslim denominations, whom Abd al-Wahhab did not consider to be Muslim at all.'' When people say things like the pakistani community in Telford knew about and accepted the sexual abuse that is a gross generalisation and I would like to see proof. I don't think it was frigging obvious what that actually meant. What proportion of people knew? Did they approve or were they impotent to deal with it? There is an accusation that a huge number of people purposely turned a blind eye to a dreadful state of affairs. I find that hard to believe without hard evidence. I do note that historically many people on this site have looked for opportunities to decry immigrants and especially Muslims. If they do so serially the least I can ask is that they prove their points. Edited by Mapletree (21 Mar 2018 1.30pm)
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Croydon 21 Mar 18 1.25pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You looked carefully and came to poor conclusions based upon your own prejudices as far as I can see. You threw stones and then said I shouldn't.

Your implied point that all groups are diverse so that no generalizations can be made about them is ludicrous.

How about this, take it as read that within this context I understand that all groups are made up by individuals and that what we are talking about are generalizations or percents and averages.

Indeed I find it amusing that you moan about my generalisation of a group and then make your own stereotypical opinions about groups.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Mar 2018 12.16pm)

You threw stones as you attacked me personally whereas I addressed a logical point.

Any general statements I have made are matters of public record.

This from the Huffington Post:

''Abd al-Wahhab demanded conformity — a conformity that was to be demonstrated in physical and tangible ways. He argued that all Muslims must individually pledge their allegiance to a single Muslim leader (a Caliph, if there were one). Those who would not conform to this view should be killed, their wives and daughters violated, and their possessions confiscated, he wrote. The list of apostates meriting death included the Shiite, Sufis and other Muslim denominations, whom Abd al-Wahhab did not consider to be Muslim at all.''

When people say things like the pakistani community in Telford knew about and accepted the sexual abuse that is a gross generalisation and I would like to see proof.

I don't think it was frigging obvious what that actually meant. What proportion of people knew? Did they approve or were they impotent to deal with it? There is an accusation that a huge number of people purposely turned a blind eye to a dreadful state of affairs. I find that hard to believe without hard evidence.

I do note that historically many people on this site have looked for opportunities to decry immigrants and especially Muslims. If they do so serially the least I can ask is that they prove their points.

Edited by Mapletree (21 Mar 2018 1.30pm)

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Stirlingsays 21 Mar 18 2.16pm
Originally posted by Mapletree You threw stones as you attacked me personally whereas I addressed a logical point. Nonsense and hyperbole. Originally posted by Mapletree Any general statements I have made are matters of public record. 'Any general statements'? Originally posted by Mapletree This from the Huffington Post: ''Abd al-Wahhab demanded conformity — a conformity that was to be demonstrated in physical and tangible ways. He argued that all Muslims must individually pledge their allegiance to a single Muslim leader (a Caliph, if there were one). Those who would not conform to this view should be killed, their wives and daughters violated, and their possessions confiscated, he wrote. The list of apostates meriting death included the Shiite, Sufis and other Muslim denominations, whom Abd al-Wahhab did not consider to be Muslim at all.'' Huffington Post. The actual section you pull from it is pretty pointless. Originally posted by Mapletree When people say things like the pakistani community in Telford knew about and accepted the sexual abuse that is a gross generalisation and I would like to see proof. I don't think it was frigging obvious what that actually meant. What proportion of people knew? Did they approve or were they impotent to deal with it? There is an accusation that a huge number of people purposely turned a blind eye to a dreadful state of affairs. I find that hard to believe without hard evidence. I do note that historically many people on this site have looked for opportunities to decry immigrants and especially Muslims. If they do so serially the least I can ask is that they prove their points. Edited by Mapletree (21 Mar 2018 1.30pm) No one is saying everyone in the pakistani community knew about this....and I've stated before that I believe that a good proportion of that community would strongly disapprove as most communities would. But gangs tend to operate as communities within communities and while the group that are 'within the know' are nothing like the entire community they will reflect a percent of it. That is....rather obviously what is being stated. Thousands of girls are raped and all the rest of it, in this country over decades.....by near totally Islamic gangs within communities without any whistle blowers from the Islamic community and you want proof? These are thousands of girls over decades in multiple locations. I have already provided proof by linking you to Sargon's video on the matter where he systematically goes through this. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Mar 2018 4.45pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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21 Mar 18 2.16pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

You threw stones as you attacked me personally whereas I addressed a logical point.

Nonsense and hyperbole.

Originally posted by Mapletree

Any general statements I have made are matters of public record.

'Any general statements'?

Originally posted by Mapletree

This from the Huffington Post:

Huffington Post.

The actual section you pull from it is pretty pointless.

Originally posted by Mapletree

When people say things like the pakistani community in Telford knew about and accepted the sexual abuse that is a gross generalisation and I would like to see proof.

Edited by Mapletree (21 Mar 2018 1.30pm)

No one is saying everyone in the pakistani community knew about this....and I've stated before that I believe that a good proportion of that community would strongly disapprove as most communities would.

But gangs tend to operate as communities within communities and while the group that are 'within the know' are nothing like the entire community they will reflect a percent of it.

That is....rather obviously what is being stated.

Thousands of girls are raped and all the rest of it, in this country over decades.....by near totally Islamic gangs within communities without any whistle blowers from the Islamic community and you want proof?

These are thousands of girls over decades in multiple locations.

I have already provided proof by linking you to Sargon's video on the matter where he systematically goes through this.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Mar 2018 4.45pm)

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 24 Mar 18 9.11pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Stirling didn't say that. And nepotism in the city isn't confined to Jewish nepotism. Sorry for you Rudi, but he did: they have higher average IQs than most other groups and many of them reach high positions in many professions happy for you to define groups for SS as he can't. As for nepotism i did not say it was confined to the Jewish I would say that many companies big and small across the country suffer from this. The day Sargon's heresay opinion is treated as fact is the this forum is dead as a place for sensible debate. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 24 Mar 18 9.11pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Stirling didn't say that.

And nepotism in the city isn't confined to Jewish nepotism.

Sorry for you Rudi, but he did:

they have higher average IQs than most other groups and many of them reach high positions in many professions

happy for you to define groups for SS as he can't.

As for nepotism i did not say it was confined to the Jewish I would say that many companies big and small across the country suffer from this.

The day Sargon's heresay opinion is treated as fact is the this forum is dead as a place for sensible debate.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Stirlingsays 24 Mar 18 9.32pm
Originally posted by pefwin Sorry for you Rudi, but he did: they have higher average IQs than most other groups and many of them reach high positions in many professions happy for you to define groups for SS as he can't. As for nepotism i did not say it was confined to the Jewish I would say that many companies big and small across the country suffer from this. The day Sargon's heresay opinion is treated as fact is the this forum is dead as a place for sensible debate. Your reply to me didn't make much sense so at the time I just ignored it. I originally related the fact that Ashkenazi Jews have high IQs. [Link] Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence This fact is the main reason behind their success and you make this nonsensical reply: 'But I love the racism that the Jewish have an higher IQ than the British, and that at no point is their racial nepotism say in banking. It isn't just the Jewish but many unenlightened companies seem to it'. Racism? It's scientific fact..so are facts racist to you are they. Added to this....you make an assertion...that I don't make by comparing Jewish IQ to British IQ. That isn't even a like for like group comparison. The British are not a racial group but a national one which is made up of all racial groups. It's a joke for people like you to even mention Sargon. He makes people laugh by exposing the opinions of people like you. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2018 9.54pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 Mar 18 9.32pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Sorry for you Rudi, but he did:

they have higher average IQs than most other groups and many of them reach high positions in many professions

happy for you to define groups for SS as he can't.

As for nepotism i did not say it was confined to the Jewish I would say that many companies big and small across the country suffer from this.

The day Sargon's heresay opinion is treated as fact is the this forum is dead as a place for sensible debate.

Your reply to me didn't make much sense so at the time I just ignored it.

I originally related the fact that Ashkenazi Jews have high IQs.

[Link]
Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

This fact is the main reason behind their success and you make this nonsensical reply:

'But I love the racism that the Jewish have an higher IQ than the British, and that at no point is their racial nepotism say in banking. It isn't just the Jewish but many unenlightened companies seem to it'.

Racism? It's scientific fact..so are facts racist to you are they.

Added to this....you make an assertion...that I don't make by comparing Jewish IQ to British IQ. That isn't even a like for like group comparison.

The British are not a racial group but a national one which is made up of all racial groups.

It's a joke for people like you to even mention Sargon. He makes people laugh by exposing the opinions of people like you.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2018 9.54pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 24 Mar 18 10.52pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Your reply to me didn't make much sense so at the time I just ignored it. I originally related the fact that Ashkenazi Jews have high IQs. [Link] Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence This fact is the main reason behind their success and you make this nonsensical reply: 'But I love the racism that the Jewish have an higher IQ than the British, and that at no point is their racial nepotism say in banking. It isn't just the Jewish but many unenlightened companies seem to it'. Racism? It's scientific fact..so are facts racist to you are they. Added to this....you make an assertion...that I don't make by comparing Jewish IQ to British IQ. That isn't even a like for like group comparison. The British are not a racial group but a national one which is made up of all racial groups. It's a joke for people like you to even mention Sargon. He makes people laugh by exposing the opinions of people like you. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2018 9.54pm) Well of course Jewish people score better on IQ tests. From William Stern onwards they are almost exclusively written by Jewish academics. Funnily enough people from Croydon score particularly high on the tests that I write.
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Croydon 24 Mar 18 10.52pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Your reply to me didn't make much sense so at the time I just ignored it.

I originally related the fact that Ashkenazi Jews have high IQs.

[Link]
Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

This fact is the main reason behind their success and you make this nonsensical reply:

Racism? It's scientific fact..so are facts racist to you are they.

Added to this....you make an assertion...that I don't make by comparing Jewish IQ to British IQ. That isn't even a like for like group comparison.

The British are not a racial group but a national one which is made up of all racial groups.

It's a joke for people like you to even mention Sargon. He makes people laugh by exposing the opinions of people like you.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2018 9.54pm)

Well of course Jewish people score better on IQ tests. From William Stern onwards they are almost exclusively written by Jewish academics. Funnily enough people from Croydon score particularly high on the tests that I write.

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Stirlingsays 24 Mar 18 11.12pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Well of course Jewish people score better on IQ tests. From William Stern onwards they are almost exclusively written by Jewish academics. Funnily enough people from Croydon score particularly high on the tests that I write. I take it you're joking. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

24 Mar 18 11.12pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I take it you're joking.

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