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Stuk Top half 22 Feb 18 3.06pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
So you don't agree with the "economic case for Brexit" then? I quite concur. I don't agree with almost anything you post, you're like a stuck record.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 22 Feb 18 3.09pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Isn't it the suggestion that at some time we may adopt these practices ourselves, not being party to EU standards anymore ?. The EU has high standards and we have contributed to them. The trade deals favoured by Fox and Rees-Mogg would see our farming industry crippled, so there would be nowhere to implement them. The real benefits of leaving the EU would be in increasing standards and changing people's diets and the quality of the food they eat. That would really make people's lives and society a much better and more equal place. The desire of those hijacking Brexit for their own means want to do the very opposite and lead us to a race to the bottom that would destroy domestic industry and jobs, reduce quality of life and work and further concentrate power and wealth into the hands of the (neo)liberal elite.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 22 Feb 18 3.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
I don't agree with almost anything you post, you're like a stuck record. Not sure I post much about the problems with the modern farming industry so this is a "different track". What I am pointing out is that if you think that we won't start importing lots more meat from the US or other places with these sorts of practices, then by definition you don't agree with what people like Patrick Minford, Liam Fox and Rees-Mogg are saying about Brexit. This is the foundation of their "economic case for Brexit". Your main problem appears to be that it doesn't fit with your narrative so you simply dismiss it and refuse to come up with any sort of informed or reasoned response.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 22 Feb 18 3.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
You don't find it all suspicious that a vegan (if I have remembered correctly that is) decides this is "news"? I'm not concerned at all, we don't buy pigs or chicken from the USA. And the beef that we have had from other parts of the EU has never had any sort of problems, has it? Neigh..... The article is well sourced and it is clearly of interest so I would argue it definitely is news. We might not buy them now, but the concern is that we may be buying them in huge quantities in 3 years. The difference here is these US practices are perfectly legal, whereas pretending that horse meat is beef is not.
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Stuk Top half 22 Feb 18 3.32pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Not sure I post much about the problems with the modern farming industry so this is a "different track". What I am pointing out is that if you think that we won't start importing lots more meat from the US or other places with these sorts of practices, then by definition you don't agree with what people like Patrick Minford, Liam Fox and Rees-Mogg are saying about Brexit. This is the foundation of their "economic case for Brexit". Your main problem appears to be that it doesn't fit with your narrative so you simply dismiss it and refuse to come up with any sort of informed or reasoned response. You know exactly what subject your stuck on, and everything you post is ifs, buts and maybes. Hence why I hardly ever bother to address them. I'm not following a narrative, i'll make my judgements on what actually happens. Nothing else.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 22 Feb 18 3.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
You know exactly what subject your stuck on, and everything you post is ifs, buts and maybes. Hence why I hardly ever bother to address them. I'm not following a narrative, i'll make my judgements on what actually happens. Nothing else. At which point it's all too late. It's important to prevent bad things from happening rather than accepting the consequences once they have.
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Stuk Top half 22 Feb 18 3.38pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
The article is well sourced and it is clearly of interest so I would argue it definitely is news. We might not buy them now, but the concern is that we may be buying them in huge quantities in 3 years. The difference here is these US practices are perfectly legal, whereas pretending that horse meat is beef is not. It's a paid for piece, it's basically an advert. What the difference actually is, is that we buy meat from the EU and it's either not labelled correctly, or not up to our high standards, and we don't buy anything mentioned in the article from the USA. Come back in 3 years, if and when we are importing them in huge quantities (we won't be), but until then you might as well worry about a volcano wiping out the UK if you're going to worry about this.
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Stuk Top half 22 Feb 18 3.40pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
At which point it's all too late. It's important to prevent bad things from happening rather than accepting the consequences once they have. There you are, predicting the future again.
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steeleye20 Croydon 22 Feb 18 4.30pm | |
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Well you would predict the future as the past has already happened........ What do americans themselves make of these practices, presumably they are eating the results? Would not take any risk, no matter how small, over food. A piece of dodgy chicken put my neighbour in a wheelchair. Any doubt at all, chuck it.
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europalace Europe 22 Feb 18 4.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Come back in 3 years, if and when we are importing them in huge quantities (we won't be), but until then you might as well worry about a volcano wiping out the UK if you're going to worry about this.
Edited by europalace (22 Feb 2018 4.55pm)
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Stuk Top half 22 Feb 18 5.15pm | |
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Try using the scheduled timelines available and you'll work out it's not a prediction. Add a zero to his number and I'd still only insert a "probably" in to that.
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sitdownstandup 22 Feb 18 8.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Err... you're a vegan aren't you? and you eat meat don't you?
Man is the most insane species. He worships an invisible God and destroys a visible Nature. Unaware that this Nature he’s destroying is this God he’s worshipping. Hubert Reeves |
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