13 fatal stabbings in London in 2018

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johnfirewall 19 Feb 18 5.01pm
I've heard about it, purely in the context of opposition to 'stop and search'...
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19 Feb 18 5.01pm

I've heard about it, purely in the context of opposition to 'stop and search'...

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PalazioVecchio south pole 19 Feb 18 6.15pm
if you live far from London you may find these statistics shocking. But if you are regularly walking the suburbs from Zone 3 to Zone 6 you will be surprised there were only thirteen stabbings so far. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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if you live far from London you may find these statistics shocking.

But if you are regularly walking the suburbs from Zone 3 to Zone 6 you will be surprised there were only thirteen stabbings so far.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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BarEagle Monmouth 19 Feb 18 7.45pm
Quite. The atmosphere is poor. That said I have just been threatened for being rude by a Coventry fan.... on a train into London.
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Monmouth 19 Feb 18 7.45pm

Quite.

The atmosphere is poor. That said I have just been threatened for being rude by a Coventry fan.... on a train into London.

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cryrst The garden of England 19 Feb 18 8.27pm
Originally posted by Stuk Well 5 of them were on New Year's day, so the stats had a bad head start. Maybe the media and social media should focus less on saying how unfair stop and search is and more on why it is targeted to certain groups. Take those 13 deaths you mention, I wonder how many are of them are from the group who feel they are overtly targeted for stop and search? I think most of these are related to gangs and most gangs in London are black boys. Sorry if that is wrong but if not then that is why stop and search is targeted. Surely it protects everyone. And yes I'm white and it would be really f*****d up to keep getting stopped. But the story after every stabbing is why don't more stop and searches happen. It seems a lose lose for the plod sadly.
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The garden of England 19 Feb 18 8.27pm

Originally posted by Stuk

Well 5 of them were on New Year's day, so the stats had a bad head start.

Maybe the media and social media should focus less on saying how unfair stop and search is and more on why it is targeted to certain groups. Take those 13 deaths you mention, I wonder how many are of them are from the group who feel they are overtly targeted for stop and search?

I think most of these are related to gangs and most gangs in London are black boys.
Sorry if that is wrong but if not then that is why stop and search is targeted.
Surely it protects everyone.
And yes I'm white and it would be really f*****d up to keep getting stopped. But the story after every stabbing is why don't more stop and searches happen.
It seems a lose lose for the plod sadly.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 19 Feb 18 11.05pm
Originally posted by Stuk Well 5 of them were on New Year's day, so the stats had a bad head start. Maybe the media and social media should focus less on saying how unfair stop and search is and more on why it is targeted to certain groups. Take those 13 deaths you mention, I wonder how many are of them are from the group who feel they are overtly targeted for stop and search? Exactly Stuk. It's the same premise as airport security who feel it necessary to stop grey haired old ladies in their 60s to take off their shoes but cough let other more obvious suspects waltz through unhindered for fear of offending. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 19 Feb 18 11.05pm

Originally posted by Stuk

Well 5 of them were on New Year's day, so the stats had a bad head start.

Exactly Stuk. It's the same premise as airport security who feel it necessary to stop grey haired old ladies in their 60s to take off their shoes but **cough** let other more obvious suspects waltz through unhindered for fear of offending.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 20 Feb 18 4.10am
Sadiq Khan's London where crime is up in virtually every category. 1,000 police officers cut by Westminster but he wants to spend £6m on toilets for bus drivers!
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Beckenham 20 Feb 18 4.10am

Sadiq Khan's London where crime is up in virtually every category. 1,000 police officers cut by Westminster but he wants to spend £6m on toilets for bus drivers!

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Midlands Eagle 20 Feb 18 7.20am
Originally posted by Stuk Maybe the media and social media should focus less on saying how unfair stop and search is and more on why it is targeted to certain groups. Take those 13 deaths you mention, I wonder how many are of them are from the group who feel they are overtly targeted for stop and search? So delicately put Katie Hopkins was roundly decried a few months ago for saying that "if black lives matter so much why do they keep stabbing and killing each other" I'm no fan of Katie Hopkins but I did agree with that statement
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Originally posted by Stuk

So delicately put

Katie Hopkins was roundly decried a few months ago for saying that "if black lives matter so much why do they keep stabbing and killing each other"

I'm no fan of Katie Hopkins but I did agree with that statement

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Stuk Top half 20 Feb 18 1.26pm
Originally posted by Jimenez Exactly Stuk. It's the same premise as airport security who feel it necessary to stop grey haired old ladies in their 60s to take off their shoes but cough let other more obvious suspects waltz through unhindered for fear of offending. I flew to the US a few years back with my brother in law, who is of African descent, and the amount of times he got picked (and I didn't) for a "random" check on both sides of the journey became a huge source of amusement. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 20 Feb 18 1.26pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

I flew to the US a few years back with my brother in law, who is of African descent, and the amount of times he got picked (and I didn't) for a "random" check on both sides of the journey became a huge source of amusement.

Optimistic as ever

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Stuk Top half 20 Feb 18 1.30pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle So delicately put Katie Hopkins was roundly decried a few months ago for saying that "if black lives matter so much why do they keep stabbing and killing each other" I'm no fan of Katie Hopkins but I did agree with that statement I forget who it was now, but one of the grime artists put something similar on Twitter about there needing to be more stop and search of young black men after that black male model got killed, and he got crucified. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 20 Feb 18 1.30pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

So delicately put

Katie Hopkins was roundly decried a few months ago for saying that "if black lives matter so much why do they keep stabbing and killing each other"

I'm no fan of Katie Hopkins but I did agree with that statement

I forget who it was now, but one of the grime artists put something similar on Twitter about there needing to be more stop and search of young black men after that black male model got killed, and he got crucified.

Optimistic as ever

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Matov 20 Feb 18 1.45pm
What I think needs to be understood is that knife crime is not unique to London and that a model already exists for how to tackle it. Glasgow used to have a terrible reputation for knife crime but by treating the problem as one of a public health crisis, rather than just purely criminal, it dramatically reduced it. But white working class boys stabbing each other to death for the most puerile of reasons does not carry with it the same political machinations as black boys. And that is the nub of this. The Left want to brush it under the carpet and the Right leave well alone because its not worth the grief that gets heaped upon them and its not their side of electorate dying on streets in s***ty parts of London. These black boys are being allowed to carry on stabbing each other to death because nobody with any power to stop it actually wants to muddy their hands. No promotion ladders beckoning, only potential snakes to slide down. But its a sick game, what ever way you look upon it. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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20 Feb 18 1.45pm

What I think needs to be understood is that knife crime is not unique to London and that a model already exists for how to tackle it. Glasgow used to have a terrible reputation for knife crime but by treating the problem as one of a public health crisis, rather than just purely criminal, it dramatically reduced it.

But white working class boys stabbing each other to death for the most puerile of reasons does not carry with it the same political machinations as black boys.

And that is the nub of this. The Left want to brush it under the carpet and the Right leave well alone because its not worth the grief that gets heaped upon them and its not their side of electorate dying on streets in s***ty parts of London.

These black boys are being allowed to carry on stabbing each other to death because nobody with any power to stop it actually wants to muddy their hands. No promotion ladders beckoning, only potential snakes to slide down.

But its a sick game, what ever way you look upon it.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Feb 18 2.56pm
Originally posted by Matov What I think needs to be understood is that knife crime is not unique to London and that a model already exists for how to tackle it. Glasgow used to have a terrible reputation for knife crime but by treating the problem as one of a public health crisis, rather than just purely criminal, it dramatically reduced it. But white working class boys stabbing each other to death for the most puerile of reasons does not carry with it the same political machinations as black boys. And that is the nub of this. The Left want to brush it under the carpet and the Right leave well alone because its not worth the grief that gets heaped upon them and its not their side of electorate dying on streets in s***ty parts of London. These black boys are being allowed to carry on stabbing each other to death because nobody with any power to stop it actually wants to muddy their hands. No promotion ladders beckoning, only potential snakes to slide down. But its a sick game, what ever way you look upon it. Sums it up. Of course, allowing cultures known for gang violence and gun and knife crime to settle here might have been a mistake.
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20 Feb 18 2.56pm

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Originally posted by Matov

But white working class boys stabbing each other to death for the most puerile of reasons does not carry with it the same political machinations as black boys.

But its a sick game, what ever way you look upon it.

Sums it up.

Of course, allowing cultures known for gang violence and gun and knife crime to settle here might have been a mistake.

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