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Lyons550 Shirley 06 Feb 18 7.44am
Originally posted by TheArmaniCode This has been a problem long before Roy came in. Including under Pardew, who often made at least one sub at the start of the second half. Nope, I STILL stand by my claim that it's the medical staff that are the problem. And unless someone can point me to another factor, that's an opinion that I'll be keeping for a while Its just as likely down to poor refereeing allow bad tackles on our players whilst at the same time pulling ours up for innocuous misdemeanors The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 06 Feb 18 7.44am

Originally posted by TheArmaniCode

This has been a problem long before Roy came in. Including under Pardew, who often made at least one sub at the start of the second half.

Nope, I STILL stand by my claim that it's the medical staff that are the problem. And unless someone can point me to another factor, that's an opinion that I'll be keeping for a while

Its just as likely down to poor refereeing allow bad tackles on our players whilst at the same time pulling ours up for innocuous misdemeanors

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The Dolphin 06 Feb 18 8.24am
It is down to bad luck - surely Sako - broken ankle Puncheon - lunging at De Bruyne Dann - knee to knee tackle Wickham - way before Roy Wilf - looked like a tackle on Sunday did it albeit he should have come off immediately 5 out of our 9 injuries where I do not see how you blame the Club? As for the others - I cannot answer
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06 Feb 18 8.24am

It is down to bad luck - surely
Sako - broken ankle
Puncheon - lunging at De Bruyne
Dann - knee to knee tackle
Wickham - way before Roy
Wilf - looked like a tackle on Sunday did it albeit he should have come off immediately
5 out of our 9 injuries where I do not see how you blame the Club?
As for the others - I cannot answer

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Happiness Stan Itchycoo Park 06 Feb 18 8.44am
Originally posted by YT It's interesting how the running out of steam metaphor prevails almost 50 years on from the last steam passenger train to run in Britain. Very much so. "How can I remember to keep it all together when half the moon is taken away?"
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Originally posted by YT

It's interesting how the running out of steam metaphor prevails almost 50 years on from the last steam passenger train to run in Britain.

Very much so.

"How can I remember to keep it all together when half the moon is taken away?"

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dreamwaverider London 06 Feb 18 9.18am
The vast majority of long term injuries, not just here are knees. Football needs to take a close look at this. Players are so highly tuned these days that knees are clearly a weak point in tackles etc. Our pile of injuries is due to the fact our players are giving just that little bit more than the average hence overstretching etc. The outcome is inevitable, a very long injury list.
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The vast majority of long term injuries, not just here are knees.
Football needs to take a close look at this.
Players are so highly tuned these days that knees are clearly a weak point in tackles etc.
Our pile of injuries is due to the fact our players are giving just that little bit more than the average hence overstretching etc.
The outcome is inevitable, a very long injury list.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Feb 18 9.25am
Originally posted by Nobbybm So even when Roy himself tells us these injuries are all impact ones so can’t be prevented by training etc you still think it’s to do with the medical staff? The only one that could be considered as muscular and, therefore, possibly due to fatigue is Kelly’s - problem is, as has been pointed out, that was actually caused whilst he was being fouled. From what I’ve seen, we pick up injuries when the team is playing flat out, fighting for survival. When the players are giving everything then they are more at risk of impact injuries. It probably doesn’t help when officials seemingly think it’s ok to bully, kick & batter Palace players without adequate retribution. I don’t think it’s just us but if Pep thinks his prima-donnas get little protection then he should take a long look some of the blatant fouling we’ve seen this season. This is probably the most accurate explanation that cannot be doubted. Playing a cup final every week is what Zaha said. How often do we go on unbeaten runs like we have, only losing to Arsenal twice isn't it, and with a threadbare team and squad? The team and squad is low in quality numbers before the injuries, then we can't make subs because most weeks there's either one quality sub or no attacking players with any premier league quality or experience. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 06 Feb 18 9.25am

Originally posted by Nobbybm

So even when Roy himself tells us these injuries are all impact ones so can’t be prevented by training etc you still think it’s to do with the medical staff? The only one that could be considered as muscular and, therefore, possibly due to fatigue is Kelly’s - problem is, as has been pointed out, that was actually caused whilst he was being fouled.

From what I’ve seen, we pick up injuries when the team is playing flat out, fighting for survival. When the players are giving everything then they are more at risk of impact injuries.

It probably doesn’t help when officials seemingly think it’s ok to bully, kick & batter Palace players without adequate retribution. I don’t think it’s just us but if Pep thinks his prima-donnas get little protection then he should take a long look some of the blatant fouling we’ve seen this season.

This is probably the most accurate explanation that cannot be doubted. Playing a cup final every week is what Zaha said. How often do we go on unbeaten runs like we have, only losing to Arsenal twice isn't it, and with a threadbare team and squad? The team and squad is low in quality numbers before the injuries, then we can't make subs because most weeks there's either one quality sub or no attacking players with any premier league quality or experience.

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michaelpearce grays 06 Feb 18 9.55am
for me the the problem is they train them as sprint athletes that puts more strain on the the muscles and joints. all clubs train the same the bigger clubs have a larger squard of first team players, so it doesnt notice to much, than can have 8 injurys and still have 17 first team players to pick from, smaller teams like us are trying to repalce with championship standed players, and that is the bottom line, until we are lucky to get multi billionaires backers that is what we have to live with. Its nothing to do with the pyshios or doctors its the way football has evoled
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michaelpearce

grays 06 Feb 18 9.55am

for me the the problem is they train them as sprint athletes that puts more strain on the the muscles and joints. all clubs train the same the bigger clubs have a larger squard of first team players, so it doesnt notice to much, than can have 8 injurys and still have 17 first team players to pick from,
smaller teams like us are trying to repalce with championship standed players, and that is the bottom line, until we are lucky to get multi billionaires backers that is what we have to live with.
Its nothing to do with the pyshios or doctors its the way football has evoled

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Nobbybm Dartford 06 Feb 18 12.52pm
Originally posted by dreamwaverider The vast majority of long term injuries, not just here are knees. Football needs to take a close look at this. Players are so highly tuned these days that knees are clearly a weak point in tackles etc. Our pile of injuries is due to the fact our players are giving just that little bit more than the average hence overstretching etc. The outcome is inevitable, a very long injury list. There is a bit of science to back this up. Modern footballers are trained to build lean muscle like track athletes & cyclists, both of which have knees as a weak spot. A mate who cycles competitively had an ACL go when all he did was turn suddenly when someone shouted his name as he walked across a car park. His consultant explained that lean muscle in the legs tends to shorten both the quads & calves putting strain on a joint that already had minimum protection. Any sudden twist or impact can be catastrophic. Perhaps this might go some way to explain these knee problems. Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!
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Nobbybm

Dartford 06 Feb 18 12.52pm

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

There is a bit of science to back this up. Modern footballers are trained to build lean muscle like track athletes & cyclists, both of which have knees as a weak spot. A mate who cycles competitively had an ACL go when all he did was turn suddenly when someone shouted his name as he walked across a car park. His consultant explained that lean muscle in the legs tends to shorten both the quads & calves putting strain on a joint that already had minimum protection. Any sudden twist or impact can be catastrophic.

Perhaps this might go some way to explain these knee problems.

Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!

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boo909 Figeac 06 Feb 18 1.11pm
Originally posted by YT It's interesting how the running out of steam metaphor prevails almost 50 years on from the last steam passenger train to run in Britain. Most metaphora/idioms stem from outdated things though don't they? Riding shotgun (stagecoaches) and know the ropes (sailing) are two obvious ones. As fit as a Palace first 11 could well become an unfortunate new one though at this rate. Bangell - If Camus wrote The Myth of Sisyphus today, it would be about Jason Puncheon eternally trying and failing to pass with his right foot.
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Figeac 06 Feb 18 1.11pm

Originally posted by YT

It's interesting how the running out of steam metaphor prevails almost 50 years on from the last steam passenger train to run in Britain.

Most metaphora/idioms stem from outdated things though don't they? Riding shotgun (stagecoaches) and know the ropes (sailing) are two obvious ones.

As fit as a Palace first 11 could well become an unfortunate new one though at this rate.

Bangell - If Camus wrote The Myth of Sisyphus today, it would be about Jason Puncheon eternally trying and failing to pass with his right foot.

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 06 Feb 18 1.42pm
Originally posted by michaelpearce for me the the problem is they train them as sprint athletes that puts more strain on the the muscles and joints. all clubs train the same the bigger clubs have a larger squard of first team players, so it doesnt notice to much, than can have 8 injurys and still have 17 first team players to pick from, smaller teams like us are trying to repalce with championship standed players, and that is the bottom line, until we are lucky to get multi billionaires backers that is what we have to live with. Its nothing to do with the pyshios or doctors its the way football has evoled We already have. It’s FFP that screws us. "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Brentmiester_General

Front line in the battle against t... 06 Feb 18 1.42pm

Originally posted by michaelpearce

for me the the problem is they train them as sprint athletes that puts more strain on the the muscles and joints. all clubs train the same the bigger clubs have a larger squard of first team players, so it doesnt notice to much, than can have 8 injurys and still have 17 first team players to pick from,
smaller teams like us are trying to repalce with championship standed players, and that is the bottom line, until we are lucky to get multi billionaires backers that is what we have to live with.
Its nothing to do with the pyshios or doctors its the way football has evoled

We already have. It’s FFP that screws us.

"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

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Painter Croydon 06 Feb 18 1.46pm
Originally posted by Nobbybm There is a bit of science to back this up. Modern footballers are trained to build lean muscle like track athletes & cyclists, both of which have knees as a weak spot. A mate who cycles competitively had an ACL go when all he did was turn suddenly when someone shouted his name as he walked across a car park. His consultant explained that lean muscle in the legs tends to shorten both the quads & calves putting strain on a joint that already had minimum protection. Any sudden twist or impact can be catastrophic. Perhaps this might go some way to explain these knee problems. On what evidence are you claiming footballer train like cyclists? I haven’t seen any bicycles at the training ground.
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Painter

Croydon 06 Feb 18 1.46pm

Originally posted by Nobbybm

Perhaps this might go some way to explain these knee problems.

On what evidence are you claiming footballer train like cyclists? I haven’t seen any bicycles at the training ground.

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matthau South Croydon 06 Feb 18 1.48pm
Originally posted by Brentmiester_General We already have. It’s FFP that screws us. just how much are the fines with FFP?
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South Croydon 06 Feb 18 1.48pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

We already have. It’s FFP that screws us.

just how much are the fines with FFP?

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matthau South Croydon 06 Feb 18 1.51pm
Originally posted by Painter On what evidence are you claiming footballer train like cyclists? I haven’t seen any bicycles at the training ground. what I will say to that is, look at the body types compared to 10 years back or 20. John Barnes, Jan Molby, Micky Quinn, none of them would get a run out now. the physiques have changed in tandem with the speed of the game being increased. so now the types of injuries are changing or perhaps being much more common placed.
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matthau

South Croydon 06 Feb 18 1.51pm

Originally posted by Painter

On what evidence are you claiming footballer train like cyclists? I haven’t seen any bicycles at the training ground.

what I will say to that is, look at the body types compared to 10 years back or 20. John Barnes, Jan Molby, Micky Quinn, none of them would get a run out now.

the physiques have changed in tandem with the speed of the game being increased. so now the types of injuries are changing or perhaps being much more common placed.

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