I really don't think it is as simple as 3 months. If it was a full on, let's use everything we can and end humanity type of nuclear war then no water would be drinkable for many, many years due to the radiation that seeps into the ground. What animals that survived on the surface would, likewise, be inedible. The weather patterns would be horrendous.

Much better to do as the golfer did in Stuks post or create confusing patterns for future mutated cockroach Time Team programmes.

No, that's too pessimistic and you are over estimating the focus of the UK for a country wide blanket attack. The main focus would be on knocking out our nuclear subs.

That's why idiots like the liberal democrats and anyone else who wants to reduce their numbers from four to three when one is always in maintenance is a fruitcake....or in the case of Corbyn even question their useage.

If you are going to attack the UK, then I imagine that's in concert with an attack on the US.....again, that's going to take the main focus because their arsenal is far more impressive than ours.

Again....that's why anti US people are just frigging annoyingly short sighted. They literally bite the hand that protects us.

Plus, you wouldn't just stock for three months, that's just the time you'd spend under the ground. I wouldn't under estimate how quickly a technologically developed country could rebound.....especially on a mid sized heavily populated island like this.

If you have kids....consideration about these things isn't misplaced.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jan 2018 6.20pm)

Obviously you are convinced of this, but you're just wrong mate. You didn't really answer my points. We have facilities underground for this....especially state.

By any measure it is fair to call any nuclear attack catastrophic.....but 'extinction of humanity'?

Aside from the technological development of humanity and the number of humans....especially state who have provided for this.....there's no 'extinction of humanity'

Perhaps you have been watching too many movies.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jan 2018 6.42pm)

Like you say we can believe what we want. Lots of people believe lots of stuff.

Extinction isn't realistic for the multiple reasons provided.....read the first link....doesn't really deal with the provisions set aside.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jan 2018 7.08pm)

People over estimate the admittedly terrible power of nuclear explosions.

They talk as though a country could literally be destroyed and that everybody would be dead. It's just not realistic.

A modern ICBM with 30 megaton MIRV warheads is going to worse case (air blast) be pretty terrible for anything within 15 miles but after that it's third degree burns reducing with distance.......The radiation outside of that range is going to be a problem over time but many people are going to survive for weeks and people survive radiation poisoning as well.

People saw the Japanese attacks and forget that most of those buildings weren't made of solid materials.

To carpet bomb the UK and kill everybody...... it isn't going to happen....It would require huge numbers focused upon just one country.....and it wouldn't knock everyone out anyway....not for those who have prepared and have radiation protection when they come back up.

Obviously it would be terrible beyond words but you can't can't realistically destroy the country.....At worst a massive attack would destroy widespread modern society for decades.....but there is no wiping out.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jan 2018 6.45pm)

Countries have to do nothing. Listen to yourself. This kind of thing can't be controlled by appeals to emotion.

Countries act in their individual self interest. Countries that have nuclear weapons don't get invaded by other countries.

As for your 'human extinction' nonsense......Look answer the points I made in my posts showing why there is not going to be any 'human extinction'. 100 detonations would definitely screw the atmosphere for decades and those who can't get long term access to facilities are going to die.....but enough in the US military and some other western entities have prepared for this for any notion of 'extinction' to be just unrealistic.

The very worst that could happen is that for a decade or two societies were sent back to the stone age....But enough underground facilities exist and probably there are going to be enough people with knowledge in them to restart societies relatively quickly......knowledge isn't going to be lost....but the ability to distribute it for a while probably would be due to the environment and numbers.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jan 2018 10.10am)