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alaneagle1 Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 02 Jan 18 12.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Don't know. Many times it's been posted on here that he has. So not true.
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 02 Jan 18 12.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Parish has said he prefers to leave it till the last minute and 18-19 clubs don't in the summer. We do it in both windows. What you're saying may happen in some cases but not most and when it's a position you can't afford to have no cover in, you don't wait for it to be perfectly set for you to the deal. You just have to, unless you don't mind a serious relegation threat. He was on 5Live (in September I think) and he made the point that it is the way of the world. In his advertising days they would work on a project for months but it would be a mad rush right through the night on the final day. Football is no different particularly as clubs like Palace tend to have to wait until some of the bigger moves take place
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Jan 18 12.33pm | |
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Originally posted by alaneagle1
So not true. Or the positions we haven't filled. Why don't you 'tosh' then? You usually do. It's obvious Parish prefers leaving it to the last minute if he can. Saves on wages, might get a few quid off the transfer, player might be finally desperate to leave current club and our manager has the misfortune of not having a full team or squad to work with in July and August, has the first 3 games effectively written off and probably more. You're blind if you cannot see this. It has to stop and generally does when Parish respects the manager or realises the dire situation that's developed, usually every January because of previous summers.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Jan 18 12.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
He was on 5Live (in September I think) and he made the point that it is the way of the world. In his advertising days they would work on a project for months but it would be a mad rush right through the night on the final day. Football is no different particularly as clubs like Palace tend to have to wait until some of the bigger moves take place Only other clubs do deals earlier, whereas we make the mistake of leaving positions with 1 squad member in till the last minute. It changes when the manager makes it change.
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Hudsoneagle 02 Jan 18 12.51pm | |
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I am aware that the Tosun deal was a very late bid that was confirmed by the player himself...but how do you know if that player was our no.1 target? What if we had been after someone else all along? It stands to reason that if you do fail to land your no.1 target late in the window then you are forced to make late bids on other players. What I am saying is you don't actually know the full facts and perhaps the fans never will...so it is then your choice whether you choose to get frustrated with the clubs apparent transfer policy. I wasn't over the moon when we failed to land a striker in the summer...but I could at least say with 100% certainty that the club were trying to sign a striker right up to the last minute. For what its worth i would love the club to make some very early signings this Jan...but I fear we may have to wait for the right players.
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Nobbybm Dartford 02 Jan 18 1.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Only other clubs do deals earlier, whereas we make the mistake of leaving positions with 1 squad member in till the last minute. It changes when the manager makes it change.
Where we at is in that middle ground where we are looking at back up players from the big boys or relatively known ones from across Europe. If we put an acceptable bid in their agents will often simply go around the rest of the Clubs in a similar situation & try to squeeze every last £ for their client (& themselves, of course). If nobody bites then we might get our man but if they do then it's either a bidding war or we lose out - either way it protracts the whole thing. I do wonder whether it would be worth putting a short time limit on any bid/offer we put in, say, sign in 48 hours or we move on to our next target...
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alaneagle1 Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 02 Jan 18 2.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Or the positions we haven't filled. Why don't you 'tosh' then? You usually do. It's obvious Parish prefers leaving it to the last minute if he can. Saves on wages, might get a few quid off the transfer, player might be finally desperate to leave current club and our manager has the misfortune of not having a full team or squad to work with in July and August, has the first 3 games effectively written off and probably more. You're blind if you cannot see this. It has to stop and generally does when Parish respects the manager or realises the dire situation that's developed, usually every January because of previous summers. I just said the only player we signed late was Sakho.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Jan 18 2.33pm | |
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Originally posted by alaneagle1
I just said the only player we signed late was Sakho. You're clueless.
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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 02 Jan 18 2.38pm | |
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Only advantages waiting 1. more money/squard places available because of players being sold 2. you can see what others are offering and try beat them (this can also be disadvantage with prices going up)
SP likes last minute because he thinks he is smart and can do wheeling dealing which we have seen is not the case with him ending up panicking.
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jeeagles 02 Jan 18 6.31pm | |
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All negotiations depend on leverage. If you don't have much, you won't get a good deal. If you don't have a decent player in a position you will nearly always have to pay an inflated fee as everyone knows you are desperate (eg Carroll to Liverpool for £35m). Liverpool didn't particularly need Benteke and Sakho but didn't need to sell either. They would wait to hope we panic and pay an outrageous price. Particularly, when there is a chance of the buyer being out bid. When the clock looks like it's about to run out, they might start to think they would prefer £25m in the bank to a bit part player costing them £500k a month. That might stop them trying to bleed the buying club dry. By then it's unlikely another buyer will come in and you will have at least some leverage. There's always a risk to the seller that if they wait the buyer might go elsewhere, but the market is pretty transparent with regards to what players are attainable - so that doesn't put the buyer in a much better position.
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Aray South London 03 Jan 18 9.35am | |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
All negotiations depend on leverage. If you don't have much, you won't get a good deal. If you don't have a decent player in a position you will nearly always have to pay an inflated fee as everyone knows you are desperate (eg Carroll to Liverpool for £35m). Liverpool didn't particularly need Benteke and Sakho but didn't need to sell either. They would wait to hope we panic and pay an outrageous price. Particularly, when there is a chance of the buyer being out bid. When the clock looks like it's about to run out, they might start to think they would prefer £25m in the bank to a bit part player costing them £500k a month. That might stop them trying to bleed the buying club dry. By then it's unlikely another buyer will come in and you will have at least some leverage. There's always a risk to the seller that if they wait the buyer might go elsewhere, but the market is pretty transparent with regards to what players are attainable - so that doesn't put the buyer in a much better position. Precisely. Leverage and your willingness/ability to pay over the odds. Look at last year's top dollar purchases of PvA/Schlupp. We got them quickly because we paid over the odds but we also had leverage. PvA could see the ship was sinking and Schlupp just wanted out of City. When we lack leverage, splashing the cash doesn't always work.
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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 03 Jan 18 9.24pm | |
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Originally posted by alaneagle1
So not true. I don't think Benteke was carried over the threshold early in proceedings. In fact, the only times I can recollect us getting the January transfer business done reasonably early was last year and before under Pulis' reign.
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