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 cryrst  The garden of England 29 Sep 17 10.14am |
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Take my hat off to you for that
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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 29 Sep 17 11.37am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Take my hat off to you for that Not fear. Shame. And rightly so.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 29 Sep 17 11.38am |
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I thought he was more likely to be sacked for breaking ministerial code. That cannot be taken lightly considering May's position. His claim that £350m per week will be available for investment in the NHS after Brexit was even disputed by the guy who came up with it in July 2017. He needs to sort out his personal issues before he ever becomes a marginal possibility.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Sep 17 11.49am |
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I re-iterate these sentiments on behalf of the dastardly Labour party righly labelled the 'Nasty party'.
Anyhow this discussion is about Boris Johnson and NOT about the Labour Party and I am not going to be drawn down that line. Edited by Willo (29 Sep 2017 11.56am)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Sep 17 11.58am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Firstly there is no vacancy at the present time and the focus is very much on the complex Brexit negotiations. I have been a member of the Conservative Party for many a year and campaign during elections both local and national and attend social events. I have met Boris on a few occasions and he is an erudite luminary who is engaging company, however I am yet to be convinced of his leadership credentials in respect of the Conservative party and the country. Perhaps in the fulness of time I might take a different viewpoint.Time will tell how events will unfold. Edited by Willo (29 Sep 2017 10.09am) Me too, and I don't think he is leadership material. He's the kind of guy that rubs people up the wrong way if they don't know him, but if you actually sit down and talk with him he is absolutely fascinating and interesting. The problem I think for the conservatives with Boris, as leader, is that he's automatically going to be unpopular with Remainers and his appeal to the neutrals necessary for winning elections is a bit of a unknown. Tories, will certainly vote for him, but can he pull votes from swing voters and the like? I don't think so. In fact, going into things like a leadership election, he could be a liability in terms of debates, public speaking etc
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Sep 17 12.01pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Me too, and I don't think he is leadership material. He's the kind of guy that rubs people up the wrong way if they don't know him, but if you actually sit down and talk with him he is absolutely fascinating and interesting. The problem I think for the conservatives with Boris, as leader, is that he's automatically going to be unpopular with Remainers and his appeal to the neutrals necessary for winning elections is a bit of a unknown. Tories, will certainly vote for him, but can he pull votes from swing voters and the like? I don't think so. In fact, going into things like a leadership election, he could be a liability in terms of debates, public speaking etc Yes, I am not sold on the notion of Boris being leader of the Conservative Party. He might be "Box-Office", engaging and entertaining but alas I am yet to be convinced he is the man for the job.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 29 Sep 17 12.03pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Yes, I am not sold on the notion of Boris being leader of the Conservative Party. He might be "Box-Office", engaging and entertaining but alas I am yet to be convinced he is the man for the job. Do you think that Mrs May is? They have to dump her before the next election or they will surely lose.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Sep 17 12.03pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
I thought he was more likely to be sacked for breaking ministerial code. That cannot be taken lightly considering May's position. His claim that £350m per week will be available for investment in the NHS after Brexit was even disputed by the guy who came up with it in July 2017. He needs to sort out his personal issues before he ever becomes a marginal possibility. This. I think conservatives may forgive him for this, but everyone else will remember him for it, and that means losing swing seats etc. The conservatives will need to win over people who didn't vote for Brexit, and putting up Conservative most synonymous with it, could cost them votes, even among people who generally vote tory (but supported Brexit). Also, he's also not that popular among Brexiters either because he was pro-freedom of movement and remaining in the EEA He can afford to wait a few years, until the Exit is done and dusted, when that won't be an issue.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Sep 17 12.05pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Do you think that Mrs May is? They have to dump her before the next election or they will surely lose. She'll be served up for Brexit, and a new leader brought in. There will be consequences to leaving the EU, and I think the conservatives will try to keep an unpopular PM in position to catch as much of that flack before they sacrifice them.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Sep 17 12.12pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Do you think that Mrs May is? They have to dump her before the next election or they will surely lose. I'm not going to use words like "Dump her" but I think it unlikely she will contest the next election. Even if she DID, I still believe that the Conservatives will remain in power. Let's not forget that despite an abject manifesto and campaign we secured many more votes and seats than Labour and Labour will simply NOT get away with what they got away with at the last election.Labour lost the last election and they will lose the next. Anyway, we are getting away from the subject matter.I have pilloried Labour outside of HOL time and time again and I really don't wish to spend my valuable time continuing my vituperation on here.Only raises my blood pressure ! Let's get back to Boris ! Edited by Willo (29 Sep 2017 12.14pm)
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| Stirlingsays 29 Sep 17 12.19pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Me too, and I don't think he is leadership material. He's the kind of guy that rubs people up the wrong way if they don't know him, but if you actually sit down and talk with him he is absolutely fascinating and interesting. The problem I think for the conservatives with Boris, as leader, is that he's automatically going to be unpopular with Remainers and his appeal to the neutrals necessary for winning elections is a bit of a unknown. Tories, will certainly vote for him, but can he pull votes from swing voters and the like? I don't think so. In fact, going into things like a leadership election, he could be a liability in terms of debates, public speaking etc You have to be kidding....surely Jamie.....Most people aren't political. To the man and woman on the street this is the funny guy with the posh voice and bumbling nature.....He's going to get quite a few votes on the 'likeability' score. No one on the left will ever vote for him....hell they wouldn't vote for any Tory anyway no matter how mild. All the Tory base will vote for him. For me, it's a no brainer......I can't really believe that egos in the party don't see what is plain as day.....Well, actually I do...it's the fact that he's disorganised and scatter gun.....My answer to that is to view him more as a partial figurehead than as the driver and get his agreement on that.....heavyweights like Davies and co can work with him. As for public speaking. This is one of his strengths. Two jokes and a flick of the hair and it's over. The left will take offence at everything, they will rant and foam and make themselves look immature and...well like I say...over. The charisma vacancy that is Corbyn isn't going to make a dent.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Sep 17 12.26pm |
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Are you pitching for a writer's job on Game of Thrones?
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