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Oxford female student spared jail for knife attack
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hedgehog50  Croydon 26 Sep 17 8.46am |
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Originally posted by west eagle
Not in my view, mate done a spell away for much less, assault with a weapon should be a mandatory jail term in my view. I know, I'm agreeing with you - just having a go at the biased judge.
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 Stirlingsays 26 Sep 17 8.46am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
“she can’t even go to a nightclub in London, she’s so recognisable” - poor love. Whilst awaiting sentence, Woodward then returned home to her mother’s villa in Milan. And despite breaching her bail conditions by texting her victim, Woodward was praised by Judge Pringle for confessing her “guilt” and “deep sorrow” for her actions. "Although it was against your bail conditions, you contacted your partner to fully confess your guilt and your deep sorrow for what happened,” he continued. Apparently she has "unique vulnerability, remorse and good character". Judge said: "You had an immaturity about you which was not commensurate for someone of your age. Reports from the experts make clear you suffer from an emotionally unstable personality disorder, a severe eating disorder and alcohol drug dependence." [So it's forgiveable that you then stab someone]. It's incredible isn't it, just incredible. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2017 8.47am)
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| Stirlingsays 26 Sep 17 8.50am |
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Originally posted by west eagle
The prison system is there to rehabilitate, ? since when? the prison system is there to restrict freedom as a penalty for committing a crime, no requirement to show or undertake any form of rehabilitation whilst in prison, yes you may get time off for good behaviour but no actual requirement. Yep, rehabilitation is important, but it is not there to have anything like an equal footing. Crime and consequence.
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 Michaelawt85 Bexley 26 Sep 17 9.14am |
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Crazy. If it were a man stabbing someone, using his educational status to avoid prison and breaching bail conditions by contacting the victim there would be absolute uproar. I do wonder how much her career prospects will truly be unaffected. The media will probably hound her from now on, shes even said she's recognised everywhere and this is going to follow her wherever she goes. I think she will find a fair few problems off the back of it.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Sep 17 9.26am |
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Originally posted by Michaelawt85
Crazy. If it were a man stabbing someone, using his educational status to avoid prison and breaching bail conditions by contacting the victim there would be absolute uproar. I do wonder how much her career prospects will truly be unaffected. The media will probably hound her from now on, shes even said she's recognised everywhere and this is going to follow her wherever she goes. I think she will find a fair few problems off the back of it. Very true. The class structure will find a place for here. She's young, attractive and apparently 'intelligent'. Some beta male in charge of something will give her chances far beyond what she deserves no doubt. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2017 9.26am)
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| legaleagle 26 Sep 17 9.33am |
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Sorry to interfere with the frothing,but people get suspended sentences all the time for offences like this,regardless of background. ie, Cardiff 2015: "A supermarket employee stabbed his partner in the arm “in a fit of jealousy” because she talked to another man, a court has heard. Tesco worker Martin Rees pleaded guilty to unlawful wounding and was given a suspended sentence after Cardiff Crown Court heard it was his first offence." Coventry 2016: "A customer tried to stab another man in the back in Nando's in Coventry city centre after a row broke out over a piece of garlic bread. Fortunately, Mohammed Miah’s victim was wearing a thick coat and escaped being injured, a judge has heard. Miah, 21, of Durbar Avenue, Foleshill, pleaded guilty at Warwick Crown Court to attempting to wound victim Sunny Sidhu with intent to cause him grievous bodily harm. Miah was sentenced to 15 months in prison suspended for two years" Leeds 2016: "A teenager has been given a suspended sentence for stabbing another youth two years ago in Almondbury. Leeds Crown Court heard Roden Bedford was only 17 when he went to a mini market in Southfield Road with his uncle David Lockwood on March 8, 2014. While they were there his uncle became involved in a verbal confrontation with a 15-year-old youth and they began to fight."
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| Stirlingsays 26 Sep 17 9.51am |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Sorry to interfere with the frothing,but people get suspended sentences all the time for offences like this,regardless of background. So, 'all the time' equates to three instances you can find of one of the most common serious crimes from the last two years. The statistical reality of females being given lighter sentences for the same crimes as males is a fact. I would like to see the statistics on where this breaks down on class as well. How about this form of judgement being the result of incompetence on elitism and sexism from within the legal profession.....the comments from themselves are damning......obviously not all judges are the same but certainly the ones involved here are fully deserving of the criticism they are receiving.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 26 Sep 17 9.57am |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Sorry to interfere with the frothing,but people get suspended sentences all the time for offences like this,regardless of background. ie, Cardiff 2015: "A supermarket employee stabbed his partner in the arm “in a fit of jealousy” because she talked to another man, a court has heard. Tesco worker Martin Rees pleaded guilty to unlawful wounding and was given a suspended sentence after Cardiff Crown Court heard it was his first offence." Coventry 2016: "A customer tried to stab another man in the back in Nando's in Coventry city centre after a row broke out over a piece of garlic bread. Fortunately, Mohammed Miah’s victim was wearing a thick coat and escaped being injured, a judge has heard. Miah, 21, of Durbar Avenue, Foleshill, pleaded guilty at Warwick Crown Court to attempting to wound victim Sunny Sidhu with intent to cause him grievous bodily harm. Miah was sentenced to 15 months in prison suspended for two years" Leeds 2016: "A teenager has been given a suspended sentence for stabbing another youth two years ago in Almondbury. Leeds Crown Court heard Roden Bedford was only 17 when he went to a mini market in Southfield Road with his uncle David Lockwood on March 8, 2014. While they were there his uncle became involved in a verbal confrontation with a 15-year-old youth and they began to fight." If you are unsure as to the rights and wrongs of a particular issue, try to find if legaleagle has expressed an opinion on it. If he has, take the opposite view, you can't go far wrong then.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Sep 17 10.00am |
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I don't agree with the decision, but the judge in summing up did state that there were an exceptional number of mitigating circumstances not just her prospects that played a role in a suspended sentence. I do feel though, when a suspended sentence is being handed out, it should come with a five year period of suspension.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Sep 17 10.03am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So, 'all the time' equates to three instances you can find of one of the most common serious crimes from the last two years. The statistical reality of females being given lighter sentences for the same crimes as males is a fact. I would like to see the statistics on where this breaks down on class as well. How about this form of judgement being the result of incompetence on elitism and sexism from within the legal profession.....the comments form themselves are damning......obviously not all judges are the same but certainly the ones involved here fully deserve the criticism they are receiving. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2017 9.53am) The patterns of offending in this area, and the reasons do vary across genders. Usually where men are convicted of wounding a partner, its as part of a sustained period of domestic violence. Sentencing isn't just about the offence committed, it does cover a number of different factors.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Sep 17 10.45am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
The patterns of offending in this area, and the reasons do vary across genders. Usually where men are convicted of wounding a partner, its as part of a sustained period of domestic violence. Sentencing isn't just about the offence committed, it does cover a number of different factors. Isn't this making the judgement that a male knife attack is worse than a female one because you view what comes before it in a stereotypical way because of your views on masculinity. This isn't fairness.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Sep 17 10.55am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I don't agree with the decision, but the judge in summing up did state that there were an exceptional number of mitigating circumstances not just her prospects that played a role in a suspended sentence. I do feel though, when a suspended sentence is being handed out, it should come with a five year period of suspension. Remorseful...if genuine is something....though she has a lot to lose. First offence is another....but as you probably agree these should be factors in length of jail time not suspension. 'Intelligence' is risible. Being an addict? What so this is a mitigation now? Hell, I better start drinking regularly before I knife someone. Having an 'unstable personality disorder' is also risible as most people committing serious crimes could claim that. I think being a young attractive female and coming from the same kind of educational and social background as these judges is a far more likely reason. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2017 10.57am)
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