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legaleagle  10 Sep 17 8.18pm |
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religion and nationalism both being pretty toxic historically..
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  Hrolf The Ganger 10 Sep 17 8.46pm |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
religion and nationalism both being pretty toxic historically.. So has communism and multi culture.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Sep 17 5.27pm |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
It's not religion that kills but people who choose to b******ise their respective faiths. Religion, or 'faith', has a nasty tendency to make it 'very acceptable' to do very terrible things. Atheists had to invent Communism and Fascism (arguably atheist religions) to get up to the same kind of antics that Religion has been used for across the centauries. Its bad enough that people still think in terms of ideas being true or somehow real, much worse when you make them absolute truths and put the power of truth in the hands of an elite minority.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Sep 17 5.30pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So has communism and multi culture. I think you mean the ideals of multiculturalism as professed by progressive movements of the late 90 - All societies exist as a series of conflicting cultural ideas. Arguably Communism and Fascism are religions (replacing fact with faith), of course they lasted less than 100 years. Monotheistic religions (which are the real problem) are clocking in at around 1800 years of justification for some really horrible s**t.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 11 Sep 17 6.25pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I think you mean the ideals of multiculturalism as professed by progressive movements of the late 90 - All societies exist as a series of conflicting cultural ideas. Arguably Communism and Fascism are religions (replacing fact with faith), of course they lasted less than 100 years. Monotheistic religions (which are the real problem) are clocking in at around 1800 years of justification for some really horrible s**t. Still a lot of communists around, and according to them, we are awash with fascists.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Sep 17 11.22am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Still a lot of communists around, and according to them, we are awash with fascists. Is that what the voices are telling you? I certainly don't see many, but the news does seem to have a lot of far right on it of late. Is this because the news media is a communist 'globalist' propaganda machine.
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| npn Crowborough 12 Sep 17 11.40am |
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What am I missing? What am I supposed to be outraged about? "most of the deaths occurred between 1870 and 1930" and there seems to be no suggestion there is anything dodgy about them, or anything untoward going on except bad record keeping! "Nuns in 'not very good at paperwork' shocker!"
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 becky over the moon 12 Sep 17 12.24pm |
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Originally posted by npn
What am I missing? What am I supposed to be outraged about? "most of the deaths occurred between 1870 and 1930" and there seems to be no suggestion there is anything dodgy about them, or anything untoward going on except bad record keeping! "Nuns in 'not very good at paperwork' shocker!" Exactly what I posted - but no-one seems to know! It's much easier to just have a go at religion in general and Catholics in particular in this case, without thinking that the alternative to a children's home with nuns would probably have been starvation, child prostitution or death, because no-one else in society would have or did give a damn about them.
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| topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 12 Sep 17 12.29pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Exactly what I posted - but no-one seems to know! It's much easier to just have a go at religion in general and Catholics in particular in this case, without thinking that the alternative to a children's home with nuns would probably have been starvation, child prostitution or death, because no-one else in society would have or did give a damn about them. Nothing wrong with having a go at religion in general and Catholics in particular. It should be encouraged.
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Kermit8  Hevon 12 Sep 17 12.32pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Exactly what I posted - but no-one seems to know! It's much easier to just have a go at religion in general and Catholics in particular in this case, without thinking that the alternative to a children's home with nuns would probably have been starvation, child prostitution or death, because no-one else in society would have or did give a damn about them. I think a fair few kids back in those days would have been wanted, especially those sent to Australia to those lovely Catholic Boys and Girls homes, but if you were young and from a broken home or your mum was unmarried then the state/the church could snatch you from your relatives no matter how caring they may be and put you into the system. The issue here is how did some of the 400 kids die under the care of The Order in question. I have very little doubt some would have been murdered/manslaughter'd by a vicious nun or twenty or visiting priest.
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| becky over the moon 12 Sep 17 12.41pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I think a fair few kids back in those days would have been wanted, especially those sent to Australia to those lovely Catholic Boys and Girls homes, but if you were young and from a broken home or your mum was unmarried then the state/the church could snatch you from your relatives no matter how caring they may be and put you into the system. The issue here is how did some of the 400 kids die under the care of The Order in question. I have very little doubt some would have been murdered/manslaughter'd by a vicious nun or twenty or visiting priest. 400 deaths between 1870 and 1930: a third were under 5 and most seemed to have died of natural causes such as diseases common at the time........but don't let facts get in the way of the report eh?
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| Kermit8 Hevon 12 Sep 17 12.47pm |
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Originally posted by becky
400 deaths between 1870 and 1930: a third were under 5 and most seemed to have died of natural causes such as diseases common at the time........but don't let facts get in the way of the report eh? Oh, come on becky. You know how austere and brutal some of those kids' places could be. It's not normal to find a grave with 400 children in it and unmarked at that in a religious institution. Deffo worth investigating.
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