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iheartcpfc Flag SE25 24 Aug 17 3.07am Send a Private Message to iheartcpfc Add iheartcpfc as a friend

NIMBY's are the worst people in the world. Imagine being that much of a curtain twitching sad b******

 

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The Dolphin Flag 24 Aug 17 6.24am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

That is an impressive list of concerns and objections many of which are perfectly valid.
The Appeals Officer may not run with CPFC.
A consultation with the Locals would be the best way forward.

 

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auk Flag 24 Aug 17 1.30pm Send a Private Message to auk Add auk as a friend

The application was determined by a sub-committee consisting of nine councillors.

Unfortunately, the Advertiser report does not reveal the voting figure.

As an alternative to lodging an appeal, the club has the option of submitting a revised application which could address the residents' concerns.

It could also both lodge the appeal AND submit a revised application.

The club seems to have handled this matter clumsily.

It should certainly have held a consultation exercise with all residents.

It should also have lobbied the councillors who sit on that particular planning sub-committee in advance of the debate.

 

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The Dolphin Flag 24 Aug 17 1.37pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

I agree with you.
I think they should talk to the Residents and put in another application.
I struggle to believe that with Steve Parish's background that he wouldn't have told his people to talk - most unlike him if it didn't happen.

 

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Pierre Flag Purley 24 Aug 17 4.07pm Send a Private Message to Pierre Add Pierre as a friend

Agreed This seems not to have been seen from the residents point of view at all and handled badly by the club.
As with any development involving residents you have to communicate, have ongoing dialogue and involve them. Show them what you are trying to achieve and be seen to try and incorporate as many of their concerns as possible.

 

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auk Flag 24 Aug 17 5.15pm Send a Private Message to auk Add auk as a friend

It's a shame that the Advertiser wasn't able to send a reporter to the meeting.

In my experience, councillors sometimes 'freeze' if there's a chance that their comments/how they voted might be reported in the Press. This prompts them to abstain.

A couple of abstentions might have swayed the vote in Palace's favour.

As I understand it, only five residents lodged objections and another sent a message to the council in support.

Palace engaged Rachel Jones of a very expensive Westminster -based consultancy, Simply-planning, to process the application, with support from Haydn Jones of Worthing-based architectural firm, Saville Jones.

One of them would have been granted the opportunity to make a verbal presentation to the councillors on the planning meeting, and I sincerely hope one did so.

Alternatively, Steve Parish could have made the presentation.

With his communication skills, that could have secured planning approval.

I fear Palace have wasted a huge amount of time and money on an application which was, in the final analysis, probably botched.

If the club does decide to appeal/submit a revised application, it needs to be much more thorough in its approach. Nothing must be left to chance.

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Edited by auk (24 Aug 2017 5.18pm)

 

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bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 25 Aug 17 7.26am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by auk

As I understand it, only five residents lodged objections and another sent a message to the council in support.


All those objections came from just five people and the councillors were persuaded by that? We'd be wasting our time trying to engage with people like that; they're not going to change their minds and if the rest of the residents haven't objected, they're probably best left alone. Once you start approaching people for an opinion you generally find they have one and it may not be the one you want to hear. Better to appeal and see what happens, then take it from there.

 


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kev64 Flag Cambs 25 Aug 17 7.44am Send a Private Message to kev64 Add kev64 as a friend

I would of been more surprised if the planning sub committee passed it first time, none of these councillors would want to put their name to this.

With the experienced team 2010 have involved it's all smoke and mirrors, they will address the 'concerns hold full public consultations and wheel out the pr band wagon. The fuax suprise is all in the game.

Eventually it will go to a full planning committee with all the i dotted and t s crossed.

 

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The Dolphin Flag 25 Aug 17 10.20am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

My experience with Councillors nowadays is that they often back the Residents to carry local favour but in planning terms schemes get through once the Appeal gets heard as technically there is nothing wrong.
That way - the scheme goes ahead and the Councillors are able to say to their constituents that they tried.
A complete waste of Developers money just because Councillors are often too weak to stand up and be counted!

 

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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 25 Aug 17 11.25am Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

i know that the club are still looking at alternative sites, so i'm not too sure how bothered they will be by this.

I'd still like them to approach Bromley about Beckenham place park...that would be an ideal setting / location, now that the golf course has gone, due to the lack of funds available to keep it going.

 


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auk Flag 25 Aug 17 12.08pm Send a Private Message to auk Add auk as a friend

The planning case officer for Bromley Council is Stephanie Gardiner who recommended that the application should be approved, but her recommendation was rejected by the plans sub-committee.

The councillors who made the refusal decision were: Lydia Buttinger (committee chair), Peter Dean, Nicky Dykes, Simon Fawthrop, Russell Mellor, Tony Owen,
Richard Scoates, Michael Turner (vice-chair) and Angela Wilkins.

Most of the Copers Cope Road residents didn't bother to submit comments, so they probably didn't care one way or another.

The most vigorous opponent was Richard Fielder who describes himself as chairman of Copers Cope Road Action Group (but that might just consist of himself).

The official refusal notice states: "The proposal would result in inappropriate development on Metropolitan Open Land as a result of the overdevelopment of the
site by way of the massing and bulk of the proposed extension, coupled with the extension to the parking area, which would result in a loss of openness, detrimental to the character, spatial standards and appearance of this area, of which no very
special circumstances exist."

Palace submitted the application in June 2015, so it has taken more than two years to reach the decision stage - plus a huge amount of money in consultancy,
architects and planning fees.

The potential prize is far too great important for the club to walk away, so it would be surprising if it does not lodge either an appeal or a revised application (or both).

The trouble with the appeal process is that it could take another 18 months or longer before it heard by a Planning Directorate inspector.

The club might be well advised to contact the opponents, asking them to suggest proposals that might prompt them to withdraw their objections.

That might lead to a situation where the club can lodge an appeal with an assurance from Bromley Council that it will not be contested.

The development will then be able to proceed.

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 25 Aug 17 12.12pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

My experience with Councillors nowadays is that they often back the Residents to carry local favour but in planning terms schemes get through once the Appeal gets heard as technically there is nothing wrong.
That way - the scheme goes ahead and the Councillors are able to say to their constituents that they tried.
A complete waste of Developers money just because Councillors are often too weak to stand up and be counted!

And tax payers. They'd have wasted an enormous amount of council funds and time too.

 


Optimistic as ever

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