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steeleye20 Croydon 13 Aug 17 12.17pm | |
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No the crisis is already here. The bus must be 'parked' immediately or the season will be lost. How can the Chairman not see the blindingly obvious that we have had under Pulis and Allardyce, success from defensive systems. Sitting in the stand looking glum SP has been great but cannot see straight.
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TrickyBoy Vietnam 13 Aug 17 12.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
I readily admit that I went into the season with a degree of trepidation based on fact and also on instinct.I never expressed such views on HOL as it would only attract cries of "Negativity" etc etc and the debate would have evolved around me with brickbats hurled to the extent that yet another WILLO thread would have emerged.I went as far as to say that a Huddersfield win would not surprise me but generally I kept my counsel. Alas my fears were realised yesterday. Embarrassing defeat but let's not overeact and call it a 'Crisis' after a single game.In a conversation last night with someone we talked of "Growing pains" as we evolve from one style to another but we cannot allow the 'Transition' to cost us too many points as we will soon be in deep trouble and Steve Parish will be forced to act. I heard at the ground views expressed that if we had Dyche, Pulis or Allardyce as manager we would have looked far more organised and would not have suffered such an abject defeat. Worrying,concerning etc but no crisis as yet.It could however develop into one sooner rather than later. I cant believe Im going to write this but I totally agree with Willo on this one. Lets give it a chance but not too long a chance. 0-3 - and now bottom of league is not the start we all wanted - especially on first home game.
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bodge 13 Aug 17 12.41pm | |
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Play with your best players in their best positions easy as long as you know who your best players are FDB is finding that out.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Aug 17 1.23pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
No the crisis is already here. The bus must be 'parked' immediately or the season will be lost. How can the Chairman not see the blindingly obvious that we have had under Pulis and Allardyce, success from defensive systems. Sitting in the stand looking glum SP has been great but cannot see straight. I don't wish to talk in terms of "Crisis" after just one match, but my fears were realised yesterday.If we are struggling after 4 or 5 games with no points on the board, this will be a real cause for concern given the change in system from what in the end proved successful for Allardyce. "Growing pains" but it stands to reason that one cannot allow a 'Worry' to descend into a 'Crisis'.Early days and transition can take time, however in the competitive PL one doesn't have a great deal of time before one can get detached from the pack.One game - we are not in this parlous position yet.
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FinchleyEagle 14 Aug 17 9.20am | |
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The two things that are the most concerning are that firstly, all 3 goals were extremely easy to defend against and we failed to do so. These were not premier league standard goals, barely even championship level. The other is that at no time did we put Huddersfield Town, let me just say that again; Huddersfield Town, under any concerted pressure. Now, it is just one game, that's true. But on paper, what is the easiest game in the premier league every season. Is it not at home to the team that won the play-offs? Maybe just an abberation, time will tell and I hope so. But it feels like Warnock again, you could see almost instantly that he was massively out of his depth. Oh please can I be wrong about that!
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bexleydave Barnehurst 14 Aug 17 9.29am | |
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Originally posted by FinchleyEagle
The two things that are the most concerning are that firstly, all 3 goals were extremely easy to defend against and we failed to do so. These were not premier league standard goals, barely even championship level. The other is that at no time did we put Huddersfield Town, let me just say that again; Huddersfield Town, under any concerted pressure. Now, it is just one game, that's true. But on paper, what is the easiest game in the premier league every season. Is it not at home to the team that won the play-offs? Maybe just an abberation, time will tell and I hope so. But it feels like Warnock again, you could see almost instantly that he was massively out of his depth. Oh please can I be wrong about that!
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homes New Eltham 14 Aug 17 10.08am | |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
I'm with you on the Dave, the truth is and if anybody can be bothered to look, I'm always up for giving the manager a chance. But 5th year in the premier league a major change of system, no British manager that we can realistically turn to if it does go to crap then we are finished. If we go down the club is basically back to square one, when 2010 took over. FdB said it will take time to implement this system but his gone all guns blazing and when it blew up in his face he says he wants to stick with the system. I would of thought that we would've got the necessary points then tried to change it up. I can't believe that Parish would've agreed to changing it up from the off. Edited by homes (14 Aug 2017 10.09am)
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bexleydave Barnehurst 14 Aug 17 10.31am | |
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Originally posted by homes
I'm with you on the Dave, the truth is and if anybody can be bothered to look, I'm always up for giving the manager a chance. But 5th year in the premier league a major change of system, no British manager that we can realistically turn to if it does go to crap then we are finished. If we go down the club is basically back to square one, when 2010 took over. FdB said it will take time to implement this system but his gone all guns blazing and when it blew up in his face he says he wants to stick with the system. I would of thought that we would've got the necessary points then tried to change it up. I can't believe that Parish would've agreed to changing it up from the off.
If he'd said, after the game, "I can see that we need to go back to basics here and roll out the new system at a more measured pace", I'd have been fine with that. You tried it, it didn't work out, you've learnt from it, now let's steady the ship. But to say we're ploughing on regardless, away to Liverpool, when it didn't work in (what should have been) the easiest win of the season, just sounds mental. As worrying was his failure to accept any of the responsibility and to blame it on the players failing to do what they were told. No Frank, they either can't do what your asking or don't understand what you want. Either way Frank, unless you can persuade the owners to spend big on the sort of players you really need (unlikely) you're going to have to play a system that works with what we have.
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kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 14 Aug 17 10.39am | |
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I will be going to Anfield filled with trepidation. And if we get spanked and concede goals from being overrun through a 3 man defence and people not tackling or going for headers I for one will be doing a Gordon Ramsey big time and this site will be in meltdown!
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colinandsued Haywards Heath 14 Aug 17 11.01am | |
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I can see the logic in looking to evolve to a more possession based strategy. If my figures are correct, over the last 4 seasons and 1 game, we've lost 40 of our 77 home games, often against teams in the bottom half of the table. What has helped us avoid relegation (too close for comfort in the last two seasons) and see us into our record 5th consecutive Prem season has been our away form. On those stats I suppose it can be argued that conceding posession, defending deep and relying on breakaways has been successful. However, how sustainable is that as a long-term strategy? Thrown into the mix a tactical switch to 3-4-3 and the players are being asked to grapple with a lot of change over a short period of time (4/5 weeks pre-season and 4 friendlies) and now implement it in the red hot crucible of a New Prem season. There are also some critical squad changes and strengthening that need to happen by the end of the transfer window e.g. 3rd goalkeeper, striker support and right wing backs. To implement these changes in strategy, tactics and personnel over a short period of time is a huge challenge, as Saturday's result certainly proved. FdB's appointment took a long time and we were told a lot of due diligence was undertaken so Steve Parish obviously thinks he is the right man for the job. As fans, there's little more we can do than cheer the team when they play and keep our fingers crossed that things work out. It looks like it's going to be a nerve-wracking few weeks while we watch and see how things go. I hope, obviously, that we start to see some obvious and immediate signs of improvement against Liverpool and Swansea, but I also have to accept that positive progress may take longer. If that turns out to be the case, I just hope that FdB and his team have some pragmatic options and alternatives in mind.
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beak croydon 14 Aug 17 11.35am | |
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Originally posted by kevlee
I will be going to Anfield filled with trepidation. And if we get spanked and concede goals from being overrun through a 3 man defence and people not tackling or going for headers I for one will be doing a Gordon Ramsey big time and this site will be in meltdown! I keep thinking of Perry Suckling.
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You What se25 16 Aug 17 7.09pm | |
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Originally posted by beak
I keep thinking of Perry Suckling. No please. No!
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