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s2art1e 04 Aug 17 2.48pm
What brexit we get is the million dollar question - 13 months on - still not a f***ing clue!!
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04 Aug 17 2.48pm

What brexit we get is the million dollar question - 13 months on - still not a f***ing clue!!

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jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Aug 17 3.04pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Let's wait and see what sort of Brexit we get. Anything less than a clean Brexit is a betrayal and Sir Nigel will be back. The last part is definitely true, backpeddling over Freedom of Movement would play well for UKIP. I don't expect Brexit to be easy or clean mind, I doubt that the EU will agree the best division for the UK - they'll look to their own interests. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 04 Aug 17 3.04pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Let's wait and see what sort of Brexit we get.

Anything less than a clean Brexit is a betrayal and Sir Nigel will be back.

The last part is definitely true, backpeddling over Freedom of Movement would play well for UKIP. I don't expect Brexit to be easy or clean mind, I doubt that the EU will agree the best division for the UK - they'll look to their own interests.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Jacey 04 Aug 17 3.06pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Nige was UKIP. He is always waiting to return if need be. No chance he will return, too busy with his Trump infatuation.
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04 Aug 17 3.06pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Nige was UKIP.

He is always waiting to return if need be.

No chance he will return, too busy with his Trump infatuation.

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simlaboy coulsdon 04 Aug 17 5.34pm
Job done ,onwards and upwards
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coulsdon 04 Aug 17 5.34pm

Job done ,onwards and upwards

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 05 Aug 17 4.06pm
Anne Marie Waters will be the next leader or ukip. Failing that a new party will be formed with her heavily involved. Either way votes that the Tories/labour enjoyed at the last election will go to waters. Edited by Ouzo Dan (05 Aug 2017 4.11pm) The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 05 Aug 17 4.06pm

Anne Marie Waters will be the next leader or ukip.
Failing that a new party will be formed with her heavily involved.

Either way votes that the Tories/labour enjoyed at the last election will go to waters.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (05 Aug 2017 4.11pm)

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 07 Aug 17 8.53pm
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan Anne Marie Waters will be the next leader or ukip. Failing that a new party will be formed with her heavily involved. Either way votes that the Tories/labour enjoyed at the last election will go to waters. Edited by Ouzo Dan (05 Aug 2017 4.11pm) Waters selection as UKIP leader would see the remaining UKIP MEP's leave the party en masse, and the party taken over by ultra right wing extremists; another version of BNP or EDL. But they wouldn't attract any Tory/Labour supporters, so would be an even smaller fringe group (they wouldn't have enough members to form a "party" in any meaningful sense. [Link] I used to be immortal
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The Garden of Earthly Delights 07 Aug 17 8.53pm

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Anne Marie Waters will be the next leader or ukip.
Failing that a new party will be formed with her heavily involved.

Either way votes that the Tories/labour enjoyed at the last election will go to waters.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (05 Aug 2017 4.11pm)

Waters selection as UKIP leader would see the remaining UKIP MEP's leave the party en masse, and the party taken over by ultra right wing extremists; another version of BNP or EDL. But they wouldn't attract any Tory/Labour supporters, so would be an even smaller fringe group (they wouldn't have enough members to form a "party" in any meaningful sense.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Aug 17 9.12pm
They should just pack it in. They were a one cause protest party that has achieved what it set out to do - largely thanks to Nigel Farage. The rest of their policies are just the same as those of the right wing of the Conservative party. Join that party and campaign for them there if so inclined. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 07 Aug 17 9.12pm

They should just pack it in. They were a one cause protest party that has achieved what it set out to do - largely thanks to Nigel Farage. The rest of their policies are just the same as those of the right wing of the Conservative party. Join that party and campaign for them there if so inclined.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Pussay Patrol 07 Aug 17 9.29pm
I think that, also, under Farage they flirted close enough to the right without being seen as racists. Nuttal in the last election pledged to ban the burka - big mistake, cos for me they crossed the line. No way back after that, all they have left is to fill the BNP Vacuum Edited by Pussay Patrol (07 Aug 2017 9.30pm) Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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07 Aug 17 9.29pm

I think that, also, under Farage they flirted close enough to the right without being seen as racists. Nuttal in the last election pledged to ban the burka - big mistake, cos for me they crossed the line. No way back after that, all they have left is to fill the BNP Vacuum

Edited by Pussay Patrol (07 Aug 2017 9.30pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Aug 17 9.49pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol I think that, also, under Farage they flirted close enough to the right without being seen as racists. Nuttal in the last election pledged to ban the burka - big mistake, cos for me they crossed the line. No way back after that, all they have left is to fill the BNP Vacuum Edited by Pussay Patrol (07 Aug 2017 9.30pm) How is banning the Burka racist? Firstly Muslims are not a race. Second, there is a valid argument to ban the burka even if you don't agree with it. Was UKIP's pledge reasoned or just appealing to prejudice? That is a separate question. All parties appeal to prejudice in the end. Labour appeal to prejudice against the well off and so on. It's how politics works. It's about votes first and last.
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I think that, also, under Farage they flirted close enough to the right without being seen as racists. Nuttal in the last election pledged to ban the burka - big mistake, cos for me they crossed the line. No way back after that, all they have left is to fill the BNP Vacuum

Edited by Pussay Patrol (07 Aug 2017 9.30pm)

How is banning the Burka racist?
Firstly Muslims are not a race. Second, there is a valid argument to ban the burka even if you don't agree with it.

Was UKIP's pledge reasoned or just appealing to prejudice? That is a separate question.
All parties appeal to prejudice in the end. Labour appeal to prejudice against the well off and so on.
It's how politics works. It's about votes first and last.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Aug 17 12.13pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger How is banning the Burka racist? Firstly Muslims are not a race. Second, there is a valid argument to ban the burka even if you don't agree with it. Was UKIP's pledge reasoned or just appealing to prejudice? That is a separate question. All parties appeal to prejudice in the end. Labour appeal to prejudice against the well off and so on. It's how politics works. It's about votes first and last. I don't think its a question of validity, its really about the intent, when you consider that numerous other items of clothing exist that obscure and hide peoples features but they choose to focus on the Burka and Muslims. Quite right, its not racist, its old fashioned religious sectarianism. I'd be interested to hear on how UKIP regard other issues in which Religion choose to resisrict individual freedoms and rights, and how they'll be campaigning against Catholic and Protestant issues as well. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 08 Aug 17 12.13pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

How is banning the Burka racist?
Firstly Muslims are not a race. Second, there is a valid argument to ban the burka even if you don't agree with it.

I don't think its a question of validity, its really about the intent, when you consider that numerous other items of clothing exist that obscure and hide peoples features but they choose to focus on the Burka and Muslims.

Quite right, its not racist, its old fashioned religious sectarianism.

I'd be interested to hear on how UKIP regard other issues in which Religion choose to resisrict individual freedoms and rights, and how they'll be campaigning against Catholic and Protestant issues as well.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Aug 17 12.16pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 They should just pack it in. They were a one cause protest party that has achieved what it set out to do - largely thanks to Nigel Farage. The rest of their policies are just the same as those of the right wing of the Conservative party. Join that party and campaign for them there if so inclined. Their only reason for existence now pretty much would be a tax write off possibly. They'd be better off packing it in. Other than Farage their leadership has been a farce and they don't have the kind of political unity among members seen in say the Scottish Nationalist Party (basically an alternative to the Scotish Labour Party with a Nationalist agenda). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 08 Aug 17 12.16pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Their only reason for existence now pretty much would be a tax write off possibly. They'd be better off packing it in. Other than Farage their leadership has been a farce and they don't have the kind of political unity among members seen in say the Scottish Nationalist Party (basically an alternative to the Scotish Labour Party with a Nationalist agenda).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stirlingsays 08 Aug 17 12.24pm
I don't think the question is 'what now for UKIP'. The point of UKIP was realised....Perhaps Nick and people with similar views may be enjoying their bumping along the bottom but for most of us UKIP was always a one policy party. UKIP was a force amongst Labour voters as well as Tory ones. If Brexit turns into...not really Brexit at all...and the country doesn't have immigration control then UKIP could come back just as quickly as it disappeared. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 Aug 17 12.24pm

I don't think the question is 'what now for UKIP'.

The point of UKIP was realised....Perhaps Nick and people with similar views may be enjoying their bumping along the bottom but for most of us UKIP was always a one policy party. UKIP was a force amongst Labour voters as well as Tory ones.

If Brexit turns into...not really Brexit at all...and the country doesn't have immigration control then UKIP could come back just as quickly as it disappeared.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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