Unimpressive,Judge.

I don't think that anyone is claiming that a Corbyn led government would treat democracy in the same manner the socialists over there have.

It's about how pure socialism destroys wealth and how Corbyn would also turn a relatively wealthy country like ours into a much poorer one. The incentive for investment would go down just as fast as the money would flow out of the country.

Many socialists lie to the poor about what is practically possible in the real world as it is.

Blair was essentially right about how left wing ideas can only work with capitalism not by treating it like a turd on the street.....I agree with plenty of the ideals of socialism...few don't....the criticisms of capitalism also ring true...they haven't changed much from Marx's day.. but its solutions are often nothing short of disastrous.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Aug 2017 11.07pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

When was it praised by Corbyn? A few years ago. When the population were well educated, when society was flourishing.

Things change and events can change opinion.
What have labour said in their press release? Read it. That's the current position

The new bloke is going overwhelming top but do some digging on the opposition parties. Who are they being backed by?
It is much much more than socialism going wrong. However, socialist paradise failure is a better copy for the likes of the Mail and their chums because are scared of Corbyn. Much like many of the elite want to see failure in Venezuela as they are scared it will be successful and other countries will want to follow that model.

You need to look at events from different perspectives and not be myopic. Think not of what you are being told, ask what you aren't being told and why.

And of course you will need reminding (again) that Corbyn is a Social Democrat. He knows as much as you and everyone else except Hrolf does that there would never be a true socialist system inthis country.

The fact remains that the left, as usual, praised the new/old socialist experiment in Venezuela and as usual it has ended in catastrophic failure - very similar to how they lauded Mugabe when he came to power.
The response on here is then massive deflection - Saudi Arabia!, Belarus!, Chile! (at least on the same continent I suppose.) As for Putin, Poland and Hungary - so, so relevant!

Edited by hedgehog50 (04 Aug 2017 8.11am)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

The title of this thread 'Its all gone quite on the left'.

Quite on the left so there is progress after all.

Always thought hedgehog was a leftie really glad to have it confirmed by himself.

[Link]

Worth a read. U.S gives money to Venezuelan opposition.

Now I wonder why so many people have an interest in the so called 'democratisation' of such an oil rich country?

Edited by nickgusset (04 Aug 2017 12.48pm)