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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 17 2.23pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Indeed, but I don't see a lot of right wingers supporting wider women's rights from access to abortion, rape conviction rates and services in the UK, the disparity in pay despite the equal act 40 odd years ago.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Jul 17 3.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Rape convictions in the UK are staggeringly low, because the system is so easily stacked against the victim in terms of technicalities of law, and a history of trying to place the blame onto the victim. The number of false accusations are staggeringly low compared to failed convictions, or cases where charges aren't brought. People are falsely accused (and convicted of murder) and that hasn't affected sentencing, or conviction rates. Society really fails women when it comes to justice for sexual offences, and in terms of protecting society from sexual offenders who are convicted. And its because they're women. When men are convicted of male on male rape, the sentence is usually reflects the seriousness of sexual violation. Attempts to blame the victim aren't accepted in the same way either. The veil is a superficial issue. Its an item of clothing and is a minority of women affected - Actual issues that directly affect women are far more important.
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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 17 3.51pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Rape convictions in the UK are staggeringly low, because the system is so easily stacked against the victim in terms of technicalities of law, and a history of trying to place the blame onto the victim. The number of false accusations are staggeringly low compared to failed convictions, or cases where charges aren't brought. People are falsely accused (and convicted of murder) and that hasn't affected sentencing, or conviction rates. Society really fails women when it comes to justice for sexual offences, and in terms of protecting society from sexual offenders who are convicted. And its because they're women. When men are convicted of male on male rape, the sentence is usually reflects the seriousness of sexual violation. Attempts to blame the victim aren't accepted in the same way either. The veil is a superficial issue. Its an item of clothing and is a minority of women affected - Actual issues that directly affect women are far more important. That is an opinion I don't share. It is a symbol of female oppression.
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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 12 Jul 17 3.53pm | |
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Originally posted by npn
Agreed. I see no reason to ban it specifically, but I do agree it should not be exempt from places where faces must be uncovered for security purposes (banks, border controls, etc). In other words, it should have no special status either for or against, it's just another face covering. Personally I'd like to see all face covering banned (ski masks, balaclavas, etc) in all but exceptional circumstances - it tends to be used only to intimidate or avoid identification. would that include HF's scarves wrapped around their faces or are match days exceptional circumstances?
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npn Crowborough 12 Jul 17 3.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
would that include HF's scarves wrapped around their faces or are match days exceptional circumstances? nope, they'd be banned too (primarily because they look cockish). That would just be a pleasant side effect
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Pussay Patrol 12 Jul 17 4.11pm | |
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Although I think there's no place in society for it I wouldn't ban it, it only gives the religious nutters more ammunition and next thing they are murdering people in the street just as happened in France and I don't think it's a road we should go down
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becky over the moon 12 Jul 17 4.16pm | |
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There will be a lot of very upset brides if they do!
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hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Jul 17 4.27pm | |
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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Jul 17 4.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That is an opinion I don't share. It is a symbol of female oppression. Rape is very much a means of female oppression, by men. Its the forcible oppression of their right to select who they can have sex with. Women generally are targeted because of the power the offender has physically, and a sense of a lack of power in the real world. Its a process of dehumanisation and objectification that is a direct assault on the rights of women - Its not a symbol of oppression, its an act of oppression. Although I agree with the veil. My concern remains that people only bring up feminist issues when it fits their 'agenda'. Notably one that is anti-Muslim and only focused on Muslims - because they're the acceptable target of the day. For the record I'm pretty much anti-religious, and regard most of the dogma of Western Religion as equally absurd, but I don't think its fair to pick and choose - Just dump the lot, Christian nonsense, Jewish Nonsense, Muslim Nonsense, Hindu Nonsense etc.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Jul 17 4.58pm | |
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Originally posted by npn
Agreed. I see no reason to ban it specifically, but I do agree it should not be exempt from places where faces must be uncovered for security purposes (banks, border controls, etc). In other words, it should have no special status either for or against, it's just another face covering. Personally I'd like to see all face covering banned (ski masks, balaclavas, etc) in all but exceptional circumstances - it tends to be used only to intimidate or avoid identification. Personally, I'd start with baseball caps on anyone who is British, and 'humour' on T-shirts. And by ban, I mean summery execution, by rape stick.
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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 17 5.04pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Rape is very much a means of female oppression, by men. Its the forcible oppression of their right to select who they can have sex with. Women generally are targeted because of the power the offender has physically, and a sense of a lack of power in the real world. Its a process of dehumanisation and objectification that is a direct assault on the rights of women - Its not a symbol of oppression, its an act of oppression. Although I agree with the veil. My concern remains that people only bring up feminist issues when it fits their 'agenda'. Notably one that is anti-Muslim and only focused on Muslims - because they're the acceptable target of the day. For the record I'm pretty much anti-religious, and regard most of the dogma of Western Religion as equally absurd, but I don't think its fair to pick and choose - Just dump the lot, Christian nonsense, Jewish Nonsense, Muslim Nonsense, Hindu Nonsense etc. Rape might well be female oppression but it is still hard to prove in many circumstances. The veil is singled out because it is a visible symbol of religious female oppression. It has bugger all to do with it being specifically Islamic. If you can give a similar practice in another religion then I'm happy to ban that too.
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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 17 5.07pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
So if you forced people to wear a hat with 'I'm a second class citizen' written on it, that would be OK? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Jul 2017 5.08pm)
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