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Elpis In a pub 09 Jul 17 8.13am
Wilf is probably at his most effective playing as he does . For me his strength is in taking and keeping the ball off the defence , he is our best 'out' ball followed by fast counter attacking . Playing him further forward would result in longer passes which would leave him frustrated and the ball coming straight back more often . Of course a change of style that finds Zaha further forward with the ball at his feet makes the above nonsense .
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Wilf is probably at his most effective playing as he does . For me his strength is in taking and keeping the ball off the defence , he is our best 'out' ball followed by fast counter attacking .
Playing him further forward would result in longer passes which would leave him frustrated and the ball coming straight back more often .

Of course a change of style that finds Zaha further forward with the ball at his feet makes the above nonsense .

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DutchEagleJohan Vlissingen, Netherlands 09 Jul 17 3.07pm
Not sure which Chelsea you have been watching but the whole team tracked back and if they did not the mad coach was screaming and ready to substitute them! And its all good to think we should play further forward to give Wilf a better chance of goalscoring opportunities but to me that sound a bit megalomanic. Put the ball on Benteke's head from a counter attack sound a much easier and safer way to threaten if you ask me! Originally posted by Mad4palace Generally the best way of getting the maximum out of players with that sort of dribbling ability is to lessen the distance between where they first pick up the ball and the oppositions net. Chelsea's success last season was a lot to do with Conte removing the defensive tracking back duties of Hazard. We did the same with Bolasie a few seasons back. Suarez at Liverpool started off on the wing running past several defenders but not converting many chances that he created for himself, then they moved him inside and he started banging them in for fun. Ronaldo was similar at Manchester United. Messi and Neymar are a bit different because they're playmakers as well as dribblers, they come deeper to receive the ball and can pick out passes which Zaha hasn't really shown he can do yet. I don't watch a lot of European football but I remember a few years back Robben was doing a lot of tracking back, probably under Guardiola or possibly Heynckes. Maybe Ancelotti uses him differently now he's a bit older. Edited by DutchEagleJohan (09 Jul 2017 3.07pm)
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Not sure which Chelsea you have been watching but the whole team tracked back and if they did not the mad coach was screaming and ready to substitute them! And its all good to think we should play further forward to give Wilf a better chance of goalscoring opportunities but to me that sound a bit megalomanic. Put the ball on Benteke's head from a counter attack sound a much easier and safer way to threaten if you ask me!

Originally posted by Mad4palace

Generally the best way of getting the maximum out of players with that sort of dribbling ability is to lessen the distance between where they first pick up the ball and the oppositions net. Chelsea's success last season was a lot to do with Conte removing the defensive tracking back duties of Hazard. We did the same with Bolasie a few seasons back. Suarez at Liverpool started off on the wing running past several defenders but not converting many chances that he created for himself, then they moved him inside and he started banging them in for fun. Ronaldo was similar at Manchester United. Messi and Neymar are a bit different because they're playmakers as well as dribblers, they come deeper to receive the ball and can pick out passes which Zaha hasn't really shown he can do yet.

I don't watch a lot of European football but I remember a few years back Robben was doing a lot of tracking back, probably under Guardiola or possibly Heynckes. Maybe Ancelotti uses him differently now he's a bit older.

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bodge 09 Jul 17 7.15pm
Wilf is best out wide no need to change.
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09 Jul 17 7.15pm

Wilf is best out wide no need to change.

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green333 Tasmania 10 Jul 17 1.03am
I think he means positions on the field not an actual position..... Possibly the most southern eagle in the world!
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I think he means positions on the field not an actual position.....

Possibly the most southern eagle in the world!

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Ray in Houston Houston 10 Jul 17 4.03pm
Quote I say to my players, ‘If you give a ball, you give it always with a message. It’s not, ‘Here you have the ball, and you take care of it.’ No. You already know what the next step has to be.” I love this. They all should be good enough to read the opportunities and lead them with the pass. It drive me bananas when so-called professionals pass the ball to a teammate in a way that stops their progress. If FdB can instill this in our players, then we are a big step towards "total football". It shouldn't be hard for the defenders to pass to the midfield in a way that leads them into space, so that the ball can move quickly from front to back without possession being risked. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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I say to my players, ‘If you give a ball, you give it always with a message. It’s not, ‘Here you have the ball, and you take care of it.’ No. You already know what the next step has to be.”

I love this. They all should be good enough to read the opportunities and lead them with the pass. It drive me bananas when so-called professionals pass the ball to a teammate in a way that stops their progress.

If FdB can instill this in our players, then we are a big step towards "total football". It shouldn't be hard for the defenders to pass to the midfield in a way that leads them into space, so that the ball can move quickly from front to back without possession being risked.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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matthau South Croydon 10 Jul 17 4.08pm
Originally posted by green333 I think he means positions on the field not an actual position..... he likes to play 433. barca play that with the three up front, you wouldn't call messi or suarez wingers, they play like LS and RS interchanging, and I think that's what he has planned.
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matthau

South Croydon 10 Jul 17 4.08pm

Originally posted by green333

I think he means positions on the field not an actual position.....

he likes to play 433. barca play that with the three up front, you wouldn't call messi or suarez wingers, they play like LS and RS interchanging, and I think that's what he has planned.

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Mad4palace 10 Jul 17 4.53pm
Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan Not sure which Chelsea you have been watching but the whole team tracked back and if they did not the mad coach was screaming and ready to substitute them! And its all good to think we should play further forward to give Wilf a better chance of goalscoring opportunities but to me that sound a bit megalomanic. Put the ball on Benteke's head from a counter attack sound a much easier and safer way to threaten if you ask me! Edited by DutchEagleJohan (09 Jul 2017 3.07pm) But unlike wide players in a 4-5-1 Hazard wasn't the sole figure tasked with tracking back with the opponents full-back, in their 3-4-3 they could create overloads on whichever side the ball was, so you'd have the LCB, LWB and Hazard (LW), with the LCM close behind, pressing that space when defending in their own half. There's no way Hazard had to do as much tracking back under Conte as he was expected to do under Mourinho. We won't play 3-4-3 but Zaha could feasibly be left higher up on the pitch when we're defending in our half. Puncheon has filled in that space before, Bolasie was often left up field and Puncheon would go left mid when defending.
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Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan

Edited by DutchEagleJohan (09 Jul 2017 3.07pm)

But unlike wide players in a 4-5-1 Hazard wasn't the sole figure tasked with tracking back with the opponents full-back, in their 3-4-3 they could create overloads on whichever side the ball was, so you'd have the LCB, LWB and Hazard (LW), with the LCM close behind, pressing that space when defending in their own half. There's no way Hazard had to do as much tracking back under Conte as he was expected to do under Mourinho.

We won't play 3-4-3 but Zaha could feasibly be left higher up on the pitch when we're defending in our half. Puncheon has filled in that space before, Bolasie was often left up field and Puncheon would go left mid when defending.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Jul 17 5.29pm
Originally posted by Mad4palace Generally the best way of getting the maximum out of players with that sort of dribbling ability is to lessen the distance between where they first pick up the ball and the oppositions net. Chelsea's success last season was a lot to do with Conte removing the defensive tracking back duties of Hazard. We did the same with Bolasie a few seasons back. Suarez at Liverpool started off on the wing running past several defenders but not converting many chances that he created for himself, then they moved him inside and he started banging them in for fun. Ronaldo was similar at Manchester United. Messi and Neymar are a bit different because they're playmakers as well as dribblers, they come deeper to receive the ball and can pick out passes which Zaha hasn't really shown he can do yet. I don't watch a lot of European football but I remember a few years back Robben was doing a lot of tracking back, probably under Guardiola or possibly Heynckes. Maybe Ancelotti uses him differently now he's a bit older. He did the same for Leicester the previous season - He was such a reliable, high quality defensive midfielder he freed Leicester to push further upfield, allowing Drinkwater and Maraz much more space to feed into Vardy. I don't think the quality of this player can be overstated. Not just world class, I'd say he's World XI class. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Originally posted by Mad4palace

Generally the best way of getting the maximum out of players with that sort of dribbling ability is to lessen the distance between where they first pick up the ball and the oppositions net. Chelsea's success last season was a lot to do with Conte removing the defensive tracking back duties of Hazard. We did the same with Bolasie a few seasons back. Suarez at Liverpool started off on the wing running past several defenders but not converting many chances that he created for himself, then they moved him inside and he started banging them in for fun. Ronaldo was similar at Manchester United. Messi and Neymar are a bit different because they're playmakers as well as dribblers, they come deeper to receive the ball and can pick out passes which Zaha hasn't really shown he can do yet.

He did the same for Leicester the previous season - He was such a reliable, high quality defensive midfielder he freed Leicester to push further upfield, allowing Drinkwater and Maraz much more space to feed into Vardy.

I don't think the quality of this player can be overstated. Not just world class, I'd say he's World XI class.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Ray in Houston Houston 10 Jul 17 6.06pm
Originally posted by matthau he likes to play 433. barca play that with the three up front, you wouldn't call messi or suarez wingers, they play like LS and RS interchanging, and I think that's what he has planned. I have read (through links elsewhere in here) that he likes 4-3-3 with the ball, but has the team collapse back to a 4-5-1 without it. Basically, that's what Big Sam did. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 10 Jul 17 6.06pm

Originally posted by matthau

he likes to play 433. barca play that with the three up front, you wouldn't call messi or suarez wingers, they play like LS and RS interchanging, and I think that's what he has planned.

I have read (through links elsewhere in here) that he likes 4-3-3 with the ball, but has the team collapse back to a 4-5-1 without it.

Basically, that's what Big Sam did.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Goldfiinger Just down the road 10 Jul 17 6.10pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston I have read (through links elsewhere in here) that he likes 4-3-3 with the ball, but has the team collapse back to a 4-5-1 without it. Basically, that's what Big Sam did. Yes agree I don't think this 'revolution' is necessarily that far away from the football being played towards the end of the season. Really hope we can just kick on from where we left off.
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Just down the road 10 Jul 17 6.10pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

I have read (through links elsewhere in here) that he likes 4-3-3 with the ball, but has the team collapse back to a 4-5-1 without it.

Basically, that's what Big Sam did.

Yes agree I don't think this 'revolution' is necessarily that far away from the football being played towards the end of the season.

Really hope we can just kick on from where we left off.

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 10 Jul 17 7.15pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 He did the same for Leicester the previous season - He was such a reliable, high quality defensive midfielder he freed Leicester to push further upfield, allowing Drinkwater and Maraz much more space to feed into Vardy. I don't think the quality of this player can be overstated. Not just world class, I'd say he's World XI class. I think you're getting Conte and Cante mixed up. "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Front line in the battle against t... 10 Jul 17 7.15pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I don't think the quality of this player can be overstated. Not just world class, I'd say he's World XI class.

I think you're getting Conte and Cante mixed up.

"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 10 Jul 17 7.16pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 He did the same for Leicester the previous season - He was such a reliable, high quality defensive midfielder he freed Leicester to push further upfield, allowing Drinkwater and Maraz much more space to feed into Vardy. I don't think the quality of this player can be overstated. Not just world class, I'd say he's World XI class. I think you're getting Conte and Cante mixed up. "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Brentmiester_General

Front line in the battle against t... 10 Jul 17 7.16pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I don't think the quality of this player can be overstated. Not just world class, I'd say he's World XI class.

I think you're getting Conte and Cante mixed up.

"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

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