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Part Time James 28 Jun 17 2.26pm | |
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Before I am accused of talking out of my arse, I know there are exceptions. There will be 23 year olds that have a few games in League 2 and suddenly become the next Premier League name. Possibly. Maybe.
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becky over the moon 28 Jun 17 2.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Before I am accused of talking out of my arse, I know there are exceptions. There will be 23 year olds that have a few games in League 2 and suddenly become the next Premier League name. Possibly. Maybe. Two words: Ian Wright.........
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Part Time James 28 Jun 17 2.35pm | |
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Originally posted by becky
Two words: Ian Wright......... Yes. Well exactly my point. That was how long ago? And before the days of multi million pound players. But you can have it anyway
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Part Time James 28 Jun 17 2.38pm | |
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Although Ian Wright wasn't a top tier talent loaned out to a nothing team for experience....whereas the players in our academy were presumably scouted as big talents when we signed them then allowed to stagnate (or found not to be good enough). In my humble opinion, if you're loaned out to a League 2 side (or lower) after the age of 18, the best you can hope for is to one day be a peripheral player if you want to stay in the top tier.
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chateauferret 28 Jun 17 2.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Before I am accused of talking out of my arse, I know there are exceptions. There will be 23 year olds that have a few games in League 2 and suddenly become the next Premier League name. Possibly. Maybe. If my sums are right Jamie Vardy was playing for Fleetwood Town at 25.
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LeBoeuf Bermondsey 28 Jun 17 2.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Although Ian Wright wasn't a top tier talent loaned out to a nothing team for experience....whereas the players in our academy were presumably scouted as big talents when we signed them then allowed to stagnate (or found not to be good enough). In my humble opinion, if you're loaned out to a League 2 side (or lower) after the age of 18, the best you can hope for is to one day be a peripheral player if you want to stay in the top tier. ive often wondered if, when a lot of youngsters go to div 1 or 2 sides, they do stagnate or even go backwards. we've heard about so many of our academy players being tipped to be future stars for us. only to be released a year or two later. this may be a bad comparison, but when i played football and cricket, i found that i played better, against higher standard opposition, and not so well against lesser.
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Part Time James 28 Jun 17 2.59pm | |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
If my sums are right Jamie Vardy was playing for Fleetwood Town at 25. A name I thought might get mentioned, but he wasn't a Leicester City academy player that they'd loaned out. He also didn't break into the Leicester first team whilst they were in the Premier League. Edited by Part Time James (28 Jun 2017 3.24pm)
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Part Time James 28 Jun 17 3.04pm | |
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Originally posted by LeBoeuf
ive often wondered if, when a lot of youngsters go to div 1 or 2 sides, they do stagnate or even go backwards. we've heard about so many of our academy players being tipped to be future stars for us. only to be released a year or two later. this may be a bad comparison, but when i played football and cricket, i found that i played better, against higher standard opposition, and not so well against lesser. I don't know the figures, but the number of players that make it from all the talent in the world is absolutely minuscule. And I don't really blame the top clubs when survival in the Premier League is so important and valuable to a team. Some of our recent managers have taken players along to bench warm which is good but in reality you need to be about 4-0 up in the league before you're going to bring on an un-tested player. For me the Championship is the place to prepare players. Get 17 and 18 year olds out on loan in the Championship. If they can secure a good few games and perform well then they are much less of a risk than a 22 year old that has been player of the month twice at a League 2 club. This is all hyperbole I'm sure, and makes me sound like I've been playing Football Manager so much that I can make sweeping and over-simplified commentary on the subject. I'd love for our academy to produce first teamers, but I don't buy it that anyone loaned out to League One or Two clubs is really going to be the next big thing. It's as rare as hen's teeth.
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LeBoeuf Bermondsey 28 Jun 17 5.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
I don't know the figures, but the number of players that make it from all the talent in the world is absolutely minuscule. And I don't really blame the top clubs when survival in the Premier League is so important and valuable to a team. Some of our recent managers have taken players along to bench warm which is good but in reality you need to be about 4-0 up in the league before you're going to bring on an un-tested player. For me the Championship is the place to prepare players. Get 17 and 18 year olds out on loan in the Championship. If they can secure a good few games and perform well then they are much less of a risk than a 22 year old that has been player of the month twice at a League 2 club. This is all hyperbole I'm sure, and makes me sound like I've been playing Football Manager so much that I can make sweeping and over-simplified commentary on the subject. I'd love for our academy to produce first teamers, but I don't buy it that anyone loaned out to League One or Two clubs is really going to be the next big thing. It's as rare as hen's teeth.
im really all for producing our own players. ive been banging that drum for years. our academy is supposed to be good, but yet hardly any players seem to make it. are they just not good enough, or is the coaching not up to it? southampton seem to churn out players pretty consistently. so are they doing something we're not, or just better? as i say, im all for bringing players through, but if we dont, id rather just close it up, and use that money for something else. as i cant see the point of it.
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Dan89 Se25 28 Jul 17 10.02am | |
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What youngsters can you see playing this season?
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FairweatherEagle London 28 Jul 17 3.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Dan89
What youngsters can you see playing this season? Concenus seems to be that Dreher Kirby and Bissaka(SP) might. Flanagan looks good too but is at risk of becoming another nearly man like Kaikai at this rate.
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crystal-purley Purley 29 Jul 17 12.23am | |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
If my sums are right Jamie Vardy was playing for Fleetwood Town at 25.
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