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Hillsborough : Charges Brought Upon Senior Figures
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 sa_eagle  Just outside Cape Town 29 Jun 17 6.24am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Anyone think this is about politics? Haven't we spent enough tax payers money on this now? Those people who died can never be brought back and any amount of so called justice will change that. Putting these people in jail does not serve the public interest in my opinion, it would just be retribution on behalf of the families. Just putting it out there. I wonder whether you know anyone directly involved? I highly doubt it. What those families have suffered is beyond just the loss of loved ones. They were lied to, lied about and villified for years by the establishment and yet despite that they stood firm in their demand for justice. The biggest sadness in all this is that Tony Bland's family are being denied any sense of justice.
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| Harpo Oxfordshire 29 Jun 17 7.10am |
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This is news that the whole country needs. Justice for the people. It must be particularly pleasing to the families and occupants of Grenfell Tower.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jun 17 8.32am |
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Originally posted by sa_eagle
I wonder whether you know anyone directly involved? I highly doubt it. The biggest sadness in all this is that Tony Bland's family are being denied any sense of justice. That is what allows me to make an unbiased observation. Justice is about serving and protecting the public interest. It is not about retribution or at least, it shouldn't be.
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| DanH SW2 29 Jun 17 8.49am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Anyone think this is about politics? Haven't we spent enough tax payers money on this now? Those people who died can never be brought back and any amount of so called justice will change that. Putting these people in jail does not serve the public interest in my opinion, it would just be retribution on behalf of the families. Just putting it out there. It really is like you analyse a situation, work out what the correct take is, and then post the complete opposite for effect. Quite impressive. People died and it has been proven that elements of the truth were hidden. Prosecutions should have happened at the time and it is absolutely right they should happen now. If they were guilty at the time then they are still guilty now. If they are innocent then a fair trial will prove them to be.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jun 17 8.58am |
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Originally posted by DanH
It really is like you analyse a situation, work out what the correct take is, and then post the complete opposite for effect. Quite impressive. People died and it has been proven that elements of the truth were hidden. Prosecutions should have happened at the time and it is absolutely right they should happen now. If they were guilty at the time then they are still guilty now. If they are innocent then a fair trial will prove them to be. It really is like you not to ever read a post properly. Who said anything about guilt?
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| DanH SW2 29 Jun 17 9.04am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It really is like you not to ever read a post properly. Who said anything about guilt? So just because a certain amount of time has passed you don't think it's worth prosecuting the individuals?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jun 17 9.15am |
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Originally posted by DanH
So just because a certain amount of time has passed you don't think it's worth prosecuting the individuals? I have questioned whether it is in the public interest. I believe that people will go to jail for political reasons, and if you wonder what I mean, look at the way that Jeremy Corbyn and his cronies have stoked up anger over the Grenfell fire. It's the world we live in.
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| Mapletree Croydon 29 Jun 17 9.19am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Anyone think this is about politics? Haven't we spent enough tax payers money on this now? Those people who died can never be brought back and any amount of so called justice will change that. Putting these people in jail does not serve the public interest in my opinion, it would just be retribution on behalf of the families. Just putting it out there. You are so predictable. The minute I read the first post I knew you would wade in shortly after with your political views. In the UK the justice system is supposed to be independent of politics. In addition, due process will take place based upon the existing law. We don't have a statute of limitations. It is irrelevant if it's in the public interest since it isn't political. In any case yes, of course it's in the public interest that criminals are brought to book, even if time has elapsed. Much of the reason for the time lapse is the apparent wilful lying of this group which had the power to obfuscate.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jun 17 9.32am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
You are so predictable. The minute I read the first post I knew you would wade in shortly after with your political views. In the UK the justice system is supposed to be independent of politics. In addition, due process will take place based upon the existing law. We don't have a statute of limitations. It is irrelevant if it's in the public interest since it isn't political. In any case yes, of course it's in the public interest that criminals are brought to book, even if time has elapsed. Much of the reason for the time lapse is the apparent wilful lying of this group which had the power to obfuscate. My personal feeling is to 'punish' those who are responsible but equally, the law is there to protect the public. The public have already been protected by the huge improvements in ground safety and the exposure of shortcomings of the Police in the 80's. You tell me.
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Kermit8  Hevon 29 Jun 17 10.00am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
My personal feeling is to 'punish' those who are responsible but equally, the law is there to protect the public. The public have already been protected by the huge improvements in ground safety and the exposure of shortcomings of the Police in the 80's. You tell me. Definitely and even more so because they were public servants who after incompetence lied and corrupted, cheated and at the beginning helped to kill 96 innocent people. It may make others susceptible to such behaviour also in public office to think twice before going down such an iniquitous route. They've had 28 years to say 'sorry' and confess and tye haven't even though the evidence is stacked against them. Instead they decided to prolong the families grief and hope to squirm out of it. They deserve nothing but the full force of the law.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 29 Jun 17 10.16am |
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Everyone involved in the cover up deserve whatever punishment is coming.
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| npn Crowborough 29 Jun 17 10.33am |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Everyone involved in the cover up deserve whatever punishment is coming.
Pretty much that. If people made horrible mistakes under stress at the time, I have nothing but sympathy for what they have undoubtedly gone through over the past 30 years. For those deliberately obstructing attempts to find the truth, that's a slightly different matter
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