How many were killed at the concert and in the cafés in Paris and how many were killed by the 7.5 tonne truck in Nice?

What about the bomb that did explode in Brussels airport a while back?

Our intelligence is the best, and yet the EU will probably make out otherwise, we rely on them, gobble gobble bollox.

COYP

One slip up was very very bad. But there have been many foiled attempts on uk soil.

When you combine useless French intelligence + useless Belgian intelligence, guess what, it equals useless intelligence. Just adding more equally useless numbers to them doesn't improve them. A bit like Ian Holloway's premier league transfer window.

And I'm an EU objector, not a hater. Some of it I like, but the problem is it will never change and its ultimate goal is a United States of Europe I don't want. I want to move forward. To be able to move forward outside of the EU as well. Be able to choose what we do, when we do it. Who, what, when and why, not be told what and when, or not even be told at all and realise years later, hang on a minute, we didn't agree to this because of some unelected bureaucrats playing out a political project nobody is aware of.

You've got your European state hopping life sorted. You think we're a mess. Why do you give a sh1t if it's so good for you? Want to come back?

COYP

Really? How convenient for a goverment to tell its citizens it has 'foiled' many terrorsit attacks because of its superior intelligence compared to the rest of Europe and yet when the rest of Europe really tries to help the UK, it's 100% correct intelligence is ignored. SOunds like the immigration at Stansted think the same way as you, British is best and everyone else is stupid. Well, that worked didn't it? Tell that to the families who lost loved ones at London Bridge.

Yeah, the rest of EUrope is really stupid and the UK is the best, keep thinking that way, you are deluded.

Again, really? I've never had a problem doing what I want, when I want when living within the EU. No one has told me what to do. In fact I've built up a health and successful business simply by operating within the Eurozone countries. The EU is constantly moving forward but you either don't want to see that because of your hate for the EU or you simply don't know anything about how the EU operates.
The so called 'unelected' is just that a falacy. You have the chance to vote for MEPs and in turn they vote for those who eventually make the laws and decsions within the EU. 9 out of 10 UK laws have nothing to do with the EU anyway.

I took advantage of the opportunities that EU membership gave the UK, opportunities that would never have existed wthout that membership. Dealing in one currency has made ours (and many, many more businesses) able to flourish and we employ people based on that. As for 'giving a s***', no, I would never come back to the UK now it is leaving the EU, I wouldn't want to take a big backward step from my family. I base that decision on having lived in teh UK for many years and also several other EU countries over the last 25 years. Most who comment on here and clearly have hate for everthing with the word 'EU' in it, have never lived in another EU country quite clearly and even if they did, would have stuck to the 'expat' community which I see all over Europe, full of Brits not experiencing or learning anything about the cultures they are surrounded by.

Edited by europalace (21 Jun 2017 12.49am)

Lets just say Euro that you aren't the best advert for warm EU thoughts. The actual nations of Europe though...no problem. We share a history and a lot of commonality.....But unfortunately too many people.

'Best' is always subjective unless it can be proven by statistics.

Anglo Saxon culture is pretty up there and influential all around the world. There's little to prove about that it just is.

However this doesn't mean that there isn't a lot to admire about a lot of countries. I'm a fan of Scandinavian countries...despite and sometimes because of their politics....lots of countries have better weather...Germany and Germans have lots of good positive cultural attitudes....which they are currently busily diluting...but that's for them....and so on.

Outside of Europe the US is probably the most important country in the world....I like a lot of aspects about India.

The UK is strongly connected to many many places around the world, historically and culturally. It does have an impact. It will be one of the advantages over the coming years.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jun 2017 12.52am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I'm glad for you, go native. Enjoy those cultures just please don't come back. I have zero interest in what EU philes think. You lost so if you choose to leave.... bye bye.....somehow I'll think we will get by without you.

I mean EU immigration to this country has been too large since the nineties. I wouldn't have thought this is a difficult concept to grasp. Even Labour admitted this was a mistake.

English is an important and influential language in many of the important places around the world. What about Russia, China, India? What I said isn't a criticism of them.

America isn't exclusive to anyone but Americans but British immigrants are a large percent of what America heritage actually is. The mainstream culture of America is a form of Anglo Saxon culture....They speak English....I mean seriously.

Well you say I'm being trivial but I think you are trying to make EU leavers look hostile to other countries....The truth is that a lot of us are hostile to people like you. As for other countries there is much to admire around the world and the UK has always had immigration and it will continue but soon enough at a rate we can control.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jun 2017 1.38am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Depends if you mean national or foreign intelligence. The French foreign intelligence service is pretty good, probably more effective than MI-6, and better connected and respected among international intelligence agencies. Its internal security services less so, but they're really only been unified since 2008.

Oddly Germany has some of the best internal security services and intelligence services, and is generally the trailblazer in counter-terrorism in Europe and the rest of the world (only Israel is considered better) - When it comes to counter-terrorism the Germans invented most of the tactical approaches used across the world.

Also most of the tactical approaches used in counter-terrorism were created by the German GSG-9 force. Usually, if a nation wants foreign national advice on hostage rescue, they call either GSG-9 or the UK (typically the SBS, the SAS get all the press, but its the SBS that tends to do most of the work).

European intelligence agencies have a very good history of sharing information, and resources.

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