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Dan89 Se25 24 May 17 12.25pm
Originally posted by CPFCSwords I don't see why this counter attacking style needs to be the case, particularly if we sign Sakho. With some of the players we've brought in (Sakho, Milivojevic, Mandanda if he stays, Cabaye), they're all players who are comfortable on the ball and happy to play it out rather than knock it long and quickly hoping someone gets on the end of it. When Sakho and Cabaye are out we clearly miss them because we lack the outlet of being able to play it out, and instead just constantly hoof it and get nowhere. You pointed it out in your own post- when the players are injured the replacement don't come close. I want wining football, whether that mean 28% and 2 shots on target. Remember Delaney, dann and others are not comfortable on the ball. Another Damien Diagonal - Total Football
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Se25 24 May 17 12.25pm

Originally posted by CPFCSwords

I don't see why this counter attacking style needs to be the case, particularly if we sign Sakho.

With some of the players we've brought in (Sakho, Milivojevic, Mandanda if he stays, Cabaye), they're all players who are comfortable on the ball and happy to play it out rather than knock it long and quickly hoping someone gets on the end of it. When Sakho and Cabaye are out we clearly miss them because we lack the outlet of being able to play it out, and instead just constantly hoof it and get nowhere.

You pointed it out in your own post- when the players are injured the replacement don't come close. I want wining football, whether that mean 28% and 2 shots on target. Remember Delaney, dann and others are not comfortable on the ball.

Another Damien Diagonal - Total Football

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rob1969 Banstead Surrey 24 May 17 12.29pm
A style that results in us winning more than we loose and avoiding another relegation scrap. How that is achieved is up to whoever is the next manager.
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Banstead Surrey 24 May 17 12.29pm

A style that results in us winning more than we loose and avoiding another relegation scrap. How that is achieved is up to whoever is the next manager.

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sa_eagle Just outside Cape Town 24 May 17 1.11pm
Originally posted by I'mPalace Till I Die Ranieri was not a possession type football manager. They won the league with the lowest possession ever I believe. I think he would be a good fit with counterattacking football. I'm just concerned with him killing the dressing room and how they suddenly became so good again when he left and Shakespeare took the reigns AS I said on another thread, Ranieri's title winning squad was actually Pearson's (bar a couple of players) and when he did make the squad his own this season it didn't go too well. Had he stayed Leicester, in all likelihood would have been relegated, Personally I don't want Ranieri for the reasons you mentioned about the dressing room. We don't know what really went on but that squad made a remarkable comeback after Ranieri's departure. Cynic or realist? It's a fine line!
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sa_eagle

Just outside Cape Town 24 May 17 1.11pm

Originally posted by I'mPalace Till I Die

Ranieri was not a possession type football manager. They won the league with the lowest possession ever I believe. I think he would be a good fit with counterattacking football. I'm just concerned with him killing the dressing room and how they suddenly became so good again when he left and Shakespeare took the reigns

AS I said on another thread, Ranieri's title winning squad was actually Pearson's (bar a couple of players) and when he did make the squad his own this season it didn't go too well. Had he stayed Leicester, in all likelihood would have been relegated,

Personally I don't want Ranieri for the reasons you mentioned about the dressing room. We don't know what really went on but that squad made a remarkable comeback after Ranieri's departure.

Cynic or realist? It's a fine line!

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spartakev2 Anerley 24 May 17 1.16pm
Originally posted by CPFCSwords I don't see why this counter attacking style needs to be the case, particularly if we sign Sakho. With some of the players we've brought in (Sakho, Milivojevic, Mandanda if he stays, Cabaye), they're all players who are comfortable on the ball and happy to play it out rather than knock it long and quickly hoping someone gets on the end of it. When Sakho and Cabaye are out we clearly miss them because we lack the outlet of being able to play it out, and instead just constantly hoof it and get nowhere. This. To progress we need to be able to mix it up and not only counter attack if we manage to sign sakho and keep cabaye ( or replace like for like) add a qulaity no.10, no reason we couldn't mix it up a bit.
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Anerley 24 May 17 1.16pm

Originally posted by CPFCSwords

I don't see why this counter attacking style needs to be the case, particularly if we sign Sakho.

This. To progress we need to be able to mix it up and not only counter attack if we manage to sign sakho and keep cabaye ( or replace like for like) add a qulaity no.10, no reason we couldn't mix it up a bit.

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george1212 london 24 May 17 1.56pm
Originally posted by rob1969 A style that results in us winning more than we loose and avoiding another relegation scrap. How that is achieved is up to whoever is the next manager. Bet you'd be a lot of fun to sit next to in a pub!
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george1212

london 24 May 17 1.56pm

Originally posted by rob1969

A style that results in us winning more than we loose and avoiding another relegation scrap. How that is achieved is up to whoever is the next manager.

Bet you'd be a lot of fun to sit next to in a pub!

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bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 24 May 17 1.58pm
Originally posted by Dan89 I yeah so he did. My concern with ranieri is that you get a peak of results until xmas then the players find out he's a fool and down tools. Lets hire him until Christmas then and look for a replacement around about November.
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Carparks in South East London 24 May 17 1.58pm

Originally posted by Dan89

I yeah so he did. My concern with ranieri is that you get a peak of results until xmas then the players find out he's a fool and down tools.

Lets hire him until Christmas then and look for a replacement around about November.

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GladAllOver27 09 Jun 17 8.00pm
Interesting in the first 3 managers in the bookies favourites Sean dyche and ranieri tick the box of suiting our style and has prem experience. Where's de Boer - no prem experience and supposedly plays a possession game, which we tried under poordew and it was disastrous.
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09 Jun 17 8.00pm

Interesting in the first 3 managers in the bookies favourites

Sean dyche and ranieri tick the box of suiting our style and has prem experience.

Where's de Boer - no prem experience and supposedly plays a possession game, which we tried under poordew and it was disastrous.

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Booted Eagle Bristol 09 Jun 17 9.04pm
Originally posted by sa_eagle AS I said on another thread, Ranieri's title winning squad was actually Pearson's (bar a couple of players) and when he did make the squad his own this season it didn't go too well. Had he stayed Leicester, in all likelihood would have been relegated, Personally I don't want Ranieri for the reasons you mentioned about the dressing room. We don't know what really went on but that squad made a remarkable comeback after Ranieri's departure. Agreed, whilst I expected them not to maintain their remarkable form the drop off was large and the turn around even more so when he departed. Looks mighty like a Pards curve and may not sit well with SP. My front runner is still Sean Dyche. “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Booted Eagle

Bristol 09 Jun 17 9.04pm

Originally posted by sa_eagle

Personally I don't want Ranieri for the reasons you mentioned about the dressing room. We don't know what really went on but that squad made a remarkable comeback after Ranieri's departure.

Agreed, whilst I expected them not to maintain their remarkable form the drop off was large and the turn around even more so when he departed. Looks mighty like a Pards curve and may not sit well with SP. My front runner is still Sean Dyche.

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

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ParchmoreEagle Belair 09 Jun 17 9.22pm
We really had such a terrible first half of last season because of AP IMO and such a turnaround to finish 14th? that unless we savage our current system and squad I see no reason not to expect to avoid relegation comfortably. After 4 years in the prem yes we should be expected to start expanding our style but because of our inconsistency I don't think that's a reasonable expectation. We need (IMHO) to keep improving our current successful but inconsistent brand of less possession, stalwart defending, breaking attacks from the wings, shutting out the game, stealing draw and wins to get 40+ points. Even if Allardyce stayed we would (I expect) have continued this until we were a regular mid-table club that was regularly securing draws and wins from 2 or more of the top 6 teams and getting a good record of results against mid to lower teams. At that stage I would have expected a gradual shift into a more possession-based style. Unfortunately, with our losing managers so often, I think it would be very risky to get a 'good' foreign manager in with zero to little experience of the PL trying to create their philosophical brand of football. Not saying it wouldn't work. Say it would be a risk. But as others have said: 'In Parish we trust'. [Link]
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Belair 09 Jun 17 9.22pm

We really had such a terrible first half of last season because of AP IMO and such a turnaround to finish 14th? that unless we savage our current system and squad I see no reason not to expect to avoid relegation comfortably.

After 4 years in the prem yes we should be expected to start expanding our style but because of our inconsistency I don't think that's a reasonable expectation.

We need (IMHO) to keep improving our current successful but inconsistent brand of less possession, stalwart defending, breaking attacks from the wings, shutting out the game, stealing draw and wins to get 40+ points.

Even if Allardyce stayed we would (I expect) have continued this until we were a regular mid-table club that was regularly securing draws and wins from 2 or more of the top 6 teams and getting a good record of results against mid to lower teams.

At that stage I would have expected a gradual shift into a more possession-based style.

Unfortunately, with our losing managers so often, I think it would be very risky to get a 'good' foreign manager in with zero to little experience of the PL trying to create their philosophical brand of football.

Not saying it wouldn't work. Say it would be a risk.

But as others have said: 'In Parish we trust'.

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ParchmoreEagle Belair 09 Jun 17 9.35pm
Sean Dyche looks ok because he comes across to me as a flexible, KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) type manager. Unlike 'make-it-complicated' Pardew. The last thing we need is drastic changes because once our defense is made solid (which is why we all want Sahko) we are a very difficult team to beat for ANY PL side. I have no evidence to support the above - just my gut feeling about him. Whoever we pick, we want a manager that is wise enough to put aside their 'dream team' and allow this squad to play to its proven abilities. So I'm saying we keep the same style of play we saw with Sam with Sahko playing and improving on that. [Link]
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Belair 09 Jun 17 9.35pm

Sean Dyche looks ok because he comes across to me as a flexible, KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) type manager. Unlike 'make-it-complicated' Pardew. The last thing we need is drastic changes because once our defense is made solid (which is why we all want Sahko) we are a very difficult team to beat for ANY PL side.

I have no evidence to support the above - just my gut feeling about him. Whoever we pick, we want a manager that is wise enough to put aside their 'dream team' and allow this squad to play to its proven abilities.

So I'm saying we keep the same style of play we saw with Sam with Sahko playing and improving on that.

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Petereagle Brockley 10 Jun 17 12.42pm
Originally posted by Mad4palace Freedman, Pulis and Allardyce have been a success. All put defense first and kept us as a counter attacking team. The focus on fitness was also a huge factor. Holloway failed and Pardew failed once he started to think we were a possession team. We need someone who likes to keep it tight at the back and maintains the fitness levels, it'd be nice to have a bit more possession but it shouldn't be a priority when hiring. Good post
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Brockley 10 Jun 17 12.42pm

Originally posted by Mad4palace

Freedman, Pulis and Allardyce have been a success. All put defense first and kept us as a counter attacking team. The focus on fitness was also a huge factor.

Holloway failed and Pardew failed once he started to think we were a possession team.

We need someone who likes to keep it tight at the back and maintains the fitness levels, it'd be nice to have a bit more possession but it shouldn't be a priority when hiring.

Good post

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