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Mapletree Croydon 21 May 17 9.10pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Sugary food like fruit? Food is only fattening of you eat too much of it. Look at the calories in nuts. You wouldn't want to ban them though. It's not workable. Not from a health perspective. People need to eat less. Pretty much that simple. You are missing the point. We eat far too many carbs and in part it's because it's so much easier in all ways than eating better food.
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Mapletree

Croydon 21 May 17 9.10pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Sugary food like fruit? Food is only fattening of you eat too much of it. Look at the calories in nuts. You wouldn't want to ban them though.

It's not workable. Not from a health perspective. People need to eat less. Pretty much that simple.

You are missing the point.

We eat far too many carbs and in part it's because it's so much easier in all ways than eating better food.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 May 17 9.13pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Sugary food like fruit? Food is only fattening of you eat too much of it. Look at the calories in nuts. You wouldn't want to ban them though. It's not workable. Not from a health perspective. People need to eat less. Pretty much that simple. You don't get many people eating 15 oranges but you do get people scoffing umpteen chocolate bars, crisps, pastries, tubs of ice cream and desserts, washed down with 2 litres of Coke, maybe 3 or 4. Some people won't eat less and it's left to the NHS to catch their fall. They're often the least productive people around as well. Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 May 2017 10.24pm) COYP
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Caterham 21 May 17 9.13pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Sugary food like fruit? Food is only fattening of you eat too much of it. Look at the calories in nuts. You wouldn't want to ban them though.

It's not workable. Not from a health perspective. People need to eat less. Pretty much that simple.

You don't get many people eating 15 oranges but you do get people scoffing umpteen chocolate bars, crisps, pastries, tubs of ice cream and desserts, washed down with 2 litres of Coke, maybe 3 or 4.

Some people won't eat less and it's left to the NHS to catch their fall. They're often the least productive people around as well.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 May 2017 10.24pm)

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elgrande bedford 21 May 17 11.10pm
It's the biggest phallacy that the Tories will privatise the the nhs,it's labour biggest slur. And yet it was blair who started giving contracts to outside companies. It's a scare tactic used every general election,now I am not saying that I will vote Tory or labour. But every time the nhs is brought out as some sort of political toy to be pulled back and forth. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 21 May 17 11.10pm

It's the biggest phallacy that the Tories will privatise the the nhs,it's labour biggest slur.
And yet it was blair who started giving contracts to outside companies.
It's a scare tactic used every general election,now I am not saying that I will vote Tory or labour.
But every time the nhs is brought out as some sort of political toy to be pulled back and forth.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 May 17 11.15pm
Originally posted by elgrande It's the biggest phallacy that the Tories will privatise the the nhs,it's labour biggest slur. And yet it was blair who started giving contracts to outside companies. It's a scare tactic used every general election,now I am not saying that I will vote Tory or labour. But every time the nhs is brought out as some sort of political toy to be pulled back and forth. I dunno I've heard nurses and doctors believe it to be the case. It's been mentioned Jeremy Hunt has written on it being privatised in areas. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 21 May 17 11.15pm

Originally posted by elgrande

I dunno I've heard nurses and doctors believe it to be the case.

It's been mentioned Jeremy Hunt has written on it being privatised in areas.

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elgrande bedford 21 May 17 11.34pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I dunno I've heard nurses and doctors believe it to be the case. It's been mentioned Jeremy Hunt has written on it being privatised in areas. I think some areas could be ..but the whole free at the point will remain the same. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 21 May 17 11.34pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I dunno I've heard nurses and doctors believe it to be the case.

It's been mentioned Jeremy Hunt has written on it being privatised in areas.

I think some areas could be ..but the whole free at the point will remain the same.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 22 May 17 12.38am
Unless the NHS drags itself away from it's 1950/60's state run behemoth attitude, it is probably inevitable. I worked directly for them for a year. The amount of "it's not my job, mate" I heard was unbelievable. I worked as 'foreman' for the newly set up Minor Works Team. The team consisted of me (a carpenter) and an electrician (I had 3 different ones as they wouldn't sign off the dodgy work they were asked to do and left). We had two secretaries, a line manager, a department manager, and a director of management. I had to have meetings with the above management at least three times weekly. I had to do all the surveying, risk assessment, method statement, ordering of materials, checking said orders, arranging when I could access wards/theatres/treatment areas/public areas, &etc. All this and much more without anyone who worked there helping me if I needed information. It was my job,"Find out yourself mate, I didn't know when I started, why should I tell you!", "But you know now", "Yeah, but I ain't telling you, I'm Maintenance" I lasted a year. The place is incredibly backward. Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers
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Unless the NHS drags itself away from it's 1950/60's state run behemoth attitude, it is probably inevitable.

I worked directly for them for a year. The amount of "it's not my job, mate" I heard was unbelievable. I worked as 'foreman' for the newly set up Minor Works Team. The team consisted of me (a carpenter) and an electrician (I had 3 different ones as they wouldn't sign off the dodgy work they were asked to do and left). We had two secretaries, a line manager, a department manager, and a director of management. I had to have meetings with the above management at least three times weekly. I had to do all the surveying, risk assessment, method statement, ordering of materials, checking said orders, arranging when I could access wards/theatres/treatment areas/public areas, &etc. All this and much more without anyone who worked there helping me if I needed information. It was my job,"Find out yourself mate, I didn't know when I started, why should I tell you!", "But you know now", "Yeah, but I ain't telling you, I'm Maintenance"

I lasted a year. The place is incredibly backward.

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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gbox82 Meols, Wirral 22 May 17 6.59am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman You don't get many people eating 15 oranges but you do get people scoffing umpteen chocolate bars, crisps, pastries, tubs of ice cream and desserts, washed down with 2 litres of Coke, maybe 3 or 4. Some people won't eat less and it's left to the NHS to catch their fall. They're often the least productive people around as well. Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 May 2017 10.24pm) Some really good points made on this thread on these lines, and I agree with the above. The NHS is in crisis, and it's turned into some political pawn where people look at funding etc. But part of the reason is because us as a society have abused it. We just accept that obesity affects huge parts of society, and the cost to the NHS is enormous. Fully agree that sweets, sugary drinks etc should contribute towards the funding. And then there's the number of gp appointments that get missed - the medium sized practice (6 partners) near where I live regularly has 25+ hours of appointments missed. How much does that cost?
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Meols, Wirral 22 May 17 6.59am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You don't get many people eating 15 oranges but you do get people scoffing umpteen chocolate bars, crisps, pastries, tubs of ice cream and desserts, washed down with 2 litres of Coke, maybe 3 or 4.

Some people won't eat less and it's left to the NHS to catch their fall. They're often the least productive people around as well.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 May 2017 10.24pm)

Some really good points made on this thread on these lines, and I agree with the above.

The NHS is in crisis, and it's turned into some political pawn where people look at funding etc. But part of the reason is because us as a society have abused it. We just accept that obesity affects huge parts of society, and the cost to the NHS is enormous. Fully agree that sweets, sugary drinks etc should contribute towards the funding.

And then there's the number of gp appointments that get missed - the medium sized practice (6 partners) near where I live regularly has 25+ hours of appointments missed. How much does that cost?

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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 22 May 17 7.02am
You only have to be a patient to see it is not joined up. They'll treat you brilliantly for one thing but Heaven help you if you have more than one ailment. They habitually treat the condition not the person. Sorry to say the NHS is now well past its sell by date! Denial is not just a river in Egypt
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You only have to be a patient to see it is not joined up. They'll treat you brilliantly for one thing but Heaven help you if you have more than one ailment. They habitually treat the condition not the person. Sorry to say the NHS is now well past its sell by date!

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

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gbox82 Meols, Wirral 22 May 17 7.04am
Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Unless the NHS drags itself away from it's 1950/60's state run behemoth attitude, it is probably inevitable. I worked directly for them for a year. The amount of "it's not my job, mate" I heard was unbelievable. I worked as 'foreman' for the newly set up Minor Works Team. The team consisted of me (a carpenter) and an electrician (I had 3 different ones as they wouldn't sign off the dodgy work they were asked to do and left). We had two secretaries, a line manager, a department manager, and a director of management. I had to have meetings with the above management at least three times weekly. I had to do all the surveying, risk assessment, method statement, ordering of materials, checking said orders, arranging when I could access wards/theatres/treatment areas/public areas, &etc. All this and much more without anyone who worked there helping me if I needed information. It was my job,"Find out yourself mate, I didn't know when I started, why should I tell you!", "But you know now", "Yeah, but I ain't telling you, I'm Maintenance" I lasted a year. The place is incredibly backward. There is also, sadly, a lot of truth in this. Speak to anyone that works in the NHS and they will be able to tell you about the inefficiency they see on a daily basis. Like any big company I guess
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Meols, Wirral 22 May 17 7.04am

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Unless the NHS drags itself away from it's 1950/60's state run behemoth attitude, it is probably inevitable.

I lasted a year. The place is incredibly backward.

There is also, sadly, a lot of truth in this. Speak to anyone that works in the NHS and they will be able to tell you about the inefficiency they see on a daily basis. Like any big company I guess

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 22 May 17 8.06am
Originally posted by Mapletree You are missing the point. We eat far too many carbs and in part it's because it's so much easier in all ways than eating better food. No I am not. We eat too much full stop and yes that does include carbs. We eat more but physically less active than we were even 30 years ago. There are many reasons why we are where we are but one of them is the demonising of various foods. Fat carried the blame for the last generation and now it is sugar's turn. It solves nothing the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 22 May 17 8.06am

Originally posted by Mapletree

You are missing the point.

We eat far too many carbs and in part it's because it's so much easier in all ways than eating better food.

No I am not. We eat too much full stop and yes that does include carbs. We eat more but physically less active than we were even 30 years ago.

There are many reasons why we are where we are but one of them is the demonising of various foods.

Fat carried the blame for the last generation and now it is sugar's turn. It solves nothing

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 May 17 9.21am
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch No I am not. We eat too much full stop and yes that does include carbs. We eat more but physically less active than we were even 30 years ago. There are many reasons why we are where we are but one of them is the demonising of various foods. Fat carried the blame for the last generation and now it is sugar's turn. It solves nothing The amount of natural sugars in 3 balanced meals is not going to make you facking massive and clinically obese. It doesn't because it isn't processed and there's only so much you can eat. Processed shyte and sugary food will make you fat because it's already been broken down so the stomach doesn't have to work. So after that 2 rows of Cadbury's that were easy to chomp down, down goes another few rows, and another. If you've watched that series called 'Secret Eaters' you'll see how people try and claim they eat well but don't, because the good stuff is added to with cr&p. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 22 May 17 9.21am

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

No I am not. We eat too much full stop and yes that does include carbs. We eat more but physically less active than we were even 30 years ago.

There are many reasons why we are where we are but one of them is the demonising of various foods.

Fat carried the blame for the last generation and now it is sugar's turn. It solves nothing

The amount of natural sugars in 3 balanced meals is not going to make you facking massive and clinically obese. It doesn't because it isn't processed and there's only so much you can eat.

Processed shyte and sugary food will make you fat because it's already been broken down so the stomach doesn't have to work. So after that 2 rows of Cadbury's that were easy to chomp down, down goes another few rows, and another. If you've watched that series called 'Secret Eaters' you'll see how people try and claim they eat well but don't, because the good stuff is added to with cr&p.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 May 17 9.23am
Barnet hospital is an impressive place. COYP
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Caterham 22 May 17 9.23am

Barnet hospital is an impressive place.

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