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Ray in Houston Houston 11 May 17 3.05pm
Originally posted by GladAllOver27 I have a feeling that we're be playing for a clean sheet rather than playing for the win. Especially with our dodgy defence. With potentially only Delaney and Kelly as our centre backs. How do you think Sam will approach Sunday game. Big Sam has made no secret that this is always his game plan. If you keep a clean sheet, you get at minimum a respectable point, and there can only be one winner. The opposite is Pardew, who's game plan was to out-score the opposition. I prefer Allardyce's approach - especially in a crucial game. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by GladAllOver27

I have a feeling that we're be playing for a clean sheet rather than playing for the win. Especially with our dodgy defence. With potentially only Delaney and Kelly as our centre backs. How do you think Sam will approach Sunday game.

Big Sam has made no secret that this is always his game plan. If you keep a clean sheet, you get at minimum a respectable point, and there can only be one winner.

The opposite is Pardew, who's game plan was to out-score the opposition. I prefer Allardyce's approach - especially in a crucial game.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Canterbury Palace Whitstable 11 May 17 3.21pm
We have the advantage in that we know exactly how Hull are going to play as they simply have to win, so the onus is on them to attack. All we need to do is sit back, defend, try and hit them on the counter and if we nick a goal then we've got 2 to play with. Surely that's the only dynamic this game can have unless they go one up? We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...
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We have the advantage in that we know exactly how Hull are going to play as they simply have to win, so the onus is on them to attack. All we need to do is sit back, defend, try and hit them on the counter and if we nick a goal then we've got 2 to play with. Surely that's the only dynamic this game can have unless they go one up?

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

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jamiemartin721 Reading 11 May 17 3.22pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops We dont have the players at the moment to set up for a clean sheet. My guess is we have to score 2 goals if we want a win or draw, so we should set up with that in mind. Even if Dann is back he hasn't played in ages and we don't know how fit he is. We have the players we have. If you don't defend properly in this league, you die. Pardew never seemed to understand that the Keeper, the four in front of him and the defensive midfield, are the core of the team. You can sign the best striker in the world, and the best midfield, if you can't defend you won't win games. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 11 May 17 3.22pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

We dont have the players at the moment to set up for a clean sheet. My guess is we have to score 2 goals if we want a win or draw, so we should set up with that in mind. Even if Dann is back he hasn't played in ages and we don't know how fit he is.

We have the players we have. If you don't defend properly in this league, you die. Pardew never seemed to understand that the Keeper, the four in front of him and the defensive midfield, are the core of the team.

You can sign the best striker in the world, and the best midfield, if you can't defend you won't win games.

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Pete53 Hassocks 11 May 17 4.31pm
Well, ultimately, we should be playing for a clean sheet in every game - but I know what you mean. But we must be looking to win. The fact that a draw is enough should not be in the players' minds otherwise the focus becomes blurred. That's not to say we throw caution to the wind - Hull will attack us at some stage as they have no option, but we mustn't let them take the initiative in the way we often allow the opposition to do so at Selhurst. With our weakened defence if we get pushed back deeper and deeper you know what is going to happen.
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Hassocks 11 May 17 4.31pm

Well, ultimately, we should be playing for a clean sheet in every game - but I know what you mean.

But we must be looking to win. The fact that a draw is enough should not be in the players' minds otherwise the focus becomes blurred.

That's not to say we throw caution to the wind - Hull will attack us at some stage as they have no option, but we mustn't let them take the initiative in the way we often allow the opposition to do so at Selhurst. With our weakened defence if we get pushed back deeper and deeper you know what is going to happen.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 11 May 17 4.38pm
Originally posted by Pete53 Well, ultimately, we should be playing for a clean sheet in every game - but I know what you mean. But we must be looking to win. The fact that a draw is enough should not be in the players' minds otherwise the focus becomes blurred. That's not to say we throw caution to the wind - Hull will attack us at some stage as they have no option, but we mustn't let them take the initiative in the way we often allow the opposition to do so at Selhurst. With our weakened defence if we get pushed back deeper and deeper you know what is going to happen. Defend, keep possession, play direct to the man upfront, or into safe areas for wingers to run into, don't take risks in possession or dangerous areas, and make Hull work for the ball. Contest everything in our half, close them down in possession and force them into making the pace, and creating space between their midfield and attack, or defence and midfield, that our wingers can exploit. If in doubt, hoof it. The same as we did with Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and with Tottenham (we only lost to a 'freakish' goal). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 11 May 17 4.38pm

Originally posted by Pete53

Well, ultimately, we should be playing for a clean sheet in every game - but I know what you mean.

But we must be looking to win. The fact that a draw is enough should not be in the players' minds otherwise the focus becomes blurred.

Defend, keep possession, play direct to the man upfront, or into safe areas for wingers to run into, don't take risks in possession or dangerous areas, and make Hull work for the ball. Contest everything in our half, close them down in possession and force them into making the pace, and creating space between their midfield and attack, or defence and midfield, that our wingers can exploit.

If in doubt, hoof it.

The same as we did with Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and with Tottenham (we only lost to a 'freakish' goal).

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steven_t92 Orpington 11 May 17 4.40pm
Hull have to win to have a chance at staying up, lose and they are almost done but a draw still only keeps them within 3 points of Swansea. If a team has to win then they have to attack, this game suits us perfectly. Sit back, soak up pressure and then spring the counter attack. If we can handle them well enough we should come out on top, especially towards the end of the game if its 0-0 still because they'll go all guns blazing.
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Orpington 11 May 17 4.40pm

Hull have to win to have a chance at staying up, lose and they are almost done but a draw still only keeps them within 3 points of Swansea. If a team has to win then they have to attack, this game suits us perfectly. Sit back, soak up pressure and then spring the counter attack. If we can handle them well enough we should come out on top, especially towards the end of the game if its 0-0 still because they'll go all guns blazing.

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Booted Eagle Bristol 11 May 17 5.36pm
Originally posted by steven_t92 Hull have to win to have a chance at staying up, lose and they are almost done but a draw still only keeps them within 3 points of Swansea. If a team has to win then they have to attack, this game suits us perfectly. Sit back, soak up pressure and then spring the counter attack. If we can handle them well enough we should come out on top, especially towards the end of the game if its 0-0 still because they'll go all guns blazing. Spot on. Swansea result is irrelevant to how they will play against us. They really have to go for the win. This will suit us as they have to come out and play and we can punish them on the counter attack. Crucial that we don't panic early on and get sloppy. Let them come to us and hit them. The more it stays level the more pressure on them, gaps will show and we can strike then. If we do score first then the pressure is really on them, they will up the ante and we could easily finish them off. Major thing is not to concede any sloppy goals early as we would be then under pressure. “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Booted Eagle

Bristol 11 May 17 5.36pm

Originally posted by steven_t92

Spot on. Swansea result is irrelevant to how they will play against us. They really have to go for the win. This will suit us as they have to come out and play and we can punish them on the counter attack. Crucial that we don't panic early on and get sloppy. Let them come to us and hit them. The more it stays level the more pressure on them, gaps will show and we can strike then. If we do score first then the pressure is really on them, they will up the ante and we could easily finish them off. Major thing is not to concede any sloppy goals early as we would be then under pressure.

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

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ItsCPFCforme 11 May 17 5.39pm
If Swansea win v Sunderland, Hull have to beat us or be relegated. That makes them potentially scarily determined but also vulnerable to the counter (which we excel at). I just hope Sunderland somehow scrape a win so we can relax!
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11 May 17 5.39pm

If Swansea win v Sunderland, Hull have to beat us or be relegated. That makes them potentially scarily determined but also vulnerable to the counter (which we excel at). I just hope Sunderland somehow scrape a win so we can relax!

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bodge 11 May 17 7.55pm
With WH in goal and Kelly and DD as c/bs its not dangerous its suicide. We need our attacking players to be at their best or it will be another Burnley and they did not need to win they just hit high balls up to two front men and we could not cope. This will be a tough game they are playing well and it took a very good keeper to stop them last week.
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11 May 17 7.55pm

With WH in goal and Kelly and DD as c/bs its not dangerous its suicide. We need our attacking players to be at their best or it will be another Burnley and they did not need to win they just hit high balls up to two front men and we could not cope. This will be a tough game they are playing well and it took a very good keeper to stop them last week.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 May 17 8.35pm
Originally posted by bodge With WH in goal and Kelly and DD as c/bs its not dangerous its suicide. We need our attacking players to be at their best or it will be another Burnley and they did not need to win they just hit high balls up to two front men and we could not cope. This will be a tough game they are playing well and it took a very good keeper to stop them last week. Tomkins may start with Kelly and Dann might be on the bench. We can tell from Man City that Sam knows Delaney is not good enough. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 11 May 17 8.35pm

Originally posted by bodge

Tomkins may start with Kelly and Dann might be on the bench.

We can tell from Man City that Sam knows Delaney is not good enough.

COYP

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Direwolf Lincoln 11 May 17 9.55pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Tomkins may start with Kelly and Dann might be on the bench. We can tell from Man City that Sam knows Delaney is not good enough. As others have also opined I am of the opinion that we are unable to keep a clean sheet with the current defensive frailties. Hull losing Markovic to injury is a big bonus for us but we need to score ourselves. If Tomkins can return for Sunday that would be another bonus. I believe though that Dann is only 'possible' for the Utd game?
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Direwolf

Lincoln 11 May 17 9.55pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Tomkins may start with Kelly and Dann might be on the bench.

We can tell from Man City that Sam knows Delaney is not good enough.

As others have also opined I am of the opinion that we are unable to keep a clean sheet with the current defensive frailties. Hull losing Markovic to injury is a big bonus for us but we need to score ourselves. If Tomkins can return for Sunday that would be another bonus. I believe though that Dann is only 'possible' for the Utd game?

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Petereagle Brockley 11 May 17 10.12pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops We dont have the players at the moment to set up for a clean sheet. My guess is we have to score 2 goals if we want a win or draw, so we should set up with that in mind. Even if Dann is back he hasn't played in ages and we don't know how fit he is. Apparrently its much more likely that Tomkins will play than Dann
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Brockley 11 May 17 10.12pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Apparrently its much more likely that Tomkins will play than Dann

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