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miles18  Telford 16 Apr 17 7.19pm |
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All religion is full of s***. Weirdos believing in a made up person. Shocking really.
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  Hrolf The Ganger 16 Apr 17 7.35pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Whilst your point is fair there is still a postcode lottery element to it. If you are domiciled in certain parts of Uganda, South Sudan, the Central African Republic and the Democratic Republic of the Congo then it certainly is Christian, and not Wahhabi, extremists you would be wary of. They operate under the banner of The Lord's Resistance Army. Other peoples under ongoing threat from non-Islamic groups, being 'terrorised' by, are dotted around too. Mexicans, Rohingas, Tamils, etc [Link] etc Edited by Kermit8 (16 Apr 2017 6.40pm) Point accepted but the closest I get to being threatened by any other religion is Jehova's witnesses ringing my doorbell.
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sitdownstandup  16 Apr 17 7.41pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Then what are you saying? America shouldn't attack the infrastructure of genocidal despots committing war atrocities on their own people for fear of upsetting Muslims? i didn't say anything like that. The only thing I said was I don't agree with religious extremism on either side. Then I said that i the roles were reversed I think a minority christian group might act in a similar way to the way some muslim groups are acting.
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Kermit8  Hevon 16 Apr 17 7.41pm |
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Originally posted by miles18
All religion is full of s***. Weirdos believing in a made up person. Shocking really. There is strong evidence that Jesus did actually exist as various texts from around that time corroborate it. Not quite sure what the fella would make of the whole bible thing, made up stories, and missing some of the other gospels because some fellas decided to be editors-in-chief later on, and the ongoing fracturing of Christianity into various religious cults. Same goes for Mohammed and Jehovah. Though the latter is probably a little bit 'fairy tale'.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Apr 17 7.49pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
There is strong evidence that Jesus did actually exist as various texts from around that time corroborate it. Not quite sure what the fella would make of the whole bible thing, made up stories, and missing some of the other gospels because some fellas decided to be editors-in-chief later on, and the ongoing fracturing of Christianity into various religious cults. Same goes for Mohammed and Jehovah. Though the latter is probably a little bit 'fairy tale'. So what? The closest I get to being religious is when I watch Ben Hur. That gourd of water scene always gets me.
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| Stirlingsays 16 Apr 17 7.58pm |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
Pretty sure the Christian holding the bible pic was pulled from the the battle of Berkeley (YouTube it) As for the comparison there is no comparison, Islamic fundamentalism which has nothing to do with Islam is far worse. Edited by Ouzo Dan (16 Apr 2017 10.37am) 'Islamic fundamentalism which has nothing to do with Islam' That's a paradoxical statement. Of course it has. It is one interpretation of Islam. ISIS for example do very little that Mohammad didn't himself do or is said to have done. It isn't the mainstream interpretation but to divorce their interpretation from the religion is ridiculous. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Apr 2017 8.20pm)
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| Kermit8 Hevon 16 Apr 17 8.02pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So what? The closest I get to being religious is when I watch Ben Hur. That gourd of water scene always gets me. That admission would get you beheaded for being a Charlton fan in downtown IS territory.
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| Stirlingsays 16 Apr 17 8.03pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
There is strong evidence that Jesus did actually exist as various texts from around that time corroborate it. Not quite sure what the fella would make of the whole bible thing, made up stories, and missing some of the other gospels because some fellas decided to be editors-in-chief later on, and the ongoing fracturing of Christianity into various religious cults. Same goes for Mohammed and Jehovah. Though the latter is probably a little bit 'fairy tale'. I would probably agree.....but you do realise that monks were prone to rewrite stuff.....Certainty for this time period is difficult. The strongest evidence for Jesus is probably Tacitus and Josephus but it is slim pickings indeed.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 16 Apr 17 8.06pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
'Islamic fundamentalism which has nothing to do with Islam' That's a paradoxical statement. Of course it has. It is one interpretation of Islam. ISIS for example do nothing that Mohammad himself is said to have done. It isn't the mainstream interpretation but to divorce their interpretation from the religion is ridiculous. It's interpreted that way by less than 1% of muslims worldwide which lets the other 99 % off the hook in my book. Those 99% are still deemed guilty by association by the 'phobes' unfortunately which is just plain wrong.
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| Stirlingsays 16 Apr 17 8.14pm |
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Originally posted by sitdownstandup
i didn't say anything like that. The only thing I said was I don't agree with religious extremism on either side. Then I said that i the roles were reversed I think a minority christian group might act in a similar way to the way some muslim groups are acting. It's simply incredible when you hear this argument. To try to compare Christian fundamentalism to Islamic fundamentalism is idiotic....The scale of the problem for one makes the whole discussion ridiculous.... Maybe hundreds of years ago there would be a point..Maybe then we could discuss it...But today? Why would anyone attempt such a thing?...unless they were an apologetic or in cloud cuckoo land. Notice any any Christians driving trucks over children lately? Noticed loads of beheadings from Christians? Christian fundamentalism is a pain and the very occasional nutter attacks abolition clinics but Christian fundamentalism isn't worrying people in the city when they go to work in the morning. Christian fundamentalism isn't why our security services are stretched to the hilt and being paid record amounts of taxpayer's money to try to stop attacks. The fundamentalists throwing people off rooftops aren't Christians and any comparison is beyond rational. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Apr 2017 8.16pm)
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| matt_himself Matataland 16 Apr 17 8.16pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
It's interpreted that way by less than 1% of muslims worldwide which lets the other 99 % off the hook in my book. Those 99% are still deemed guilty by association by the 'phobes' unfortunately which is just plain wrong. What crap you spout, Michael. You know full well that far more than '1%' of Muslims believe in a doctrine that is at odds with what you believe in as Liberal. I was watching Bill Maher earlier, hardly an 'alt right' commentator, who gave a stat that 18% of Indonesians believed in honour killings. 18% of the Worlds most populous Muslim country believe in killing rape victims. How many believe gays are 'abominations'? I bet it's not the fabled '1%' you claim are responsible for giving Islam a bad name. I agree with Maher that until liberals like yourselves start holding Muslims to account for their views, and stick up for liberalism, then you are just a bunch of hypocrites, using so-called 'Islamophobia' to try and demean your political opponents.
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| Stirlingsays 16 Apr 17 8.16pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
It's interpreted that way by less than 1% of muslims worldwide which lets the other 99 % off the hook in my book. Those 99% are still deemed guilty by association by the 'phobes' unfortunately which is just plain wrong. Stop spreading lies. That is an outright lie. 15 percent of Muslims worldwide, in majority Islamic countries, vote for parties that wish to implement Sharia in their countries. That's the reality.
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