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Stirlingsays 06 Apr 17 2.10pm
Originally posted by DanH The fact that private schools are VAT exempt and have charitable status is bizarre. Blatant unfairness, set up by elites for elites. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Apr 17 2.10pm

Originally posted by DanH

The fact that private schools are VAT exempt and have charitable status is bizarre.

Blatant unfairness, set up by elites for elites.

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We are goin up! Coulsdon 06 Apr 17 2.10pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well I'd say it's related....and to be fair it is kind of the point of the thread. Though I do recognize the usefulness of going off on tangents....Do it all the time myself. It's related yes, but not really relevant. You can be for the abolition of private schools and still think this policy is pure garbage. It doesn't actually improve the education of one single child, does it? It's gesturing, plain and simple. Edited by We are goin up! (06 Apr 2017 2.11pm) The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well I'd say it's related....and to be fair it is kind of the point of the thread.

Though I do recognize the usefulness of going off on tangents....Do it all the time myself.

It's related yes, but not really relevant. You can be for the abolition of private schools and still think this policy is pure garbage. It doesn't actually improve the education of one single child, does it? It's gesturing, plain and simple.

Edited by We are goin up! (06 Apr 2017 2.11pm)

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Only 10 a year!! 06 Apr 17 2.12pm
How does offering free school meals for all benefit? Most families can afford to pay for the meals or a packed lunch and subsidising them rather than focussing that money on other much needed areas of education does not make sense. The current means based system for free school meals works although if there are worries it does not reach all needy students then the testing could be revised. There is no point offering freebies to middle class children for no reason and just a quick soundbite. Each students meals cost approx. £500 a year per student and would cost £2 billion for all primary school students, would the VAT on Private Education cover the costs?
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06 Apr 17 2.12pm

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How does offering free school meals for all benefit?

Most families can afford to pay for the meals or a packed lunch and subsidising them rather than focussing that money on other much needed areas of education does not make sense.

The current means based system for free school meals works although if there are worries it does not reach all needy students then the testing could be revised.

There is no point offering freebies to middle class children for no reason and just a quick soundbite.

Each students meals cost approx. £500 a year per student and would cost £2 billion for all primary school students, would the VAT on Private Education cover the costs?

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Apr 17 2.13pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If it is then it isn't doing a very good job is it. Social mobility in this country is a joke regardless of the type of government. All children should have access to the best available teachers. Private system hoard them. We don't have a fire service or army that only serves an elite nor should we have an education system that is broken into two systems. I realise on this I'm pretty far left....But I've honestly never seen how not having equality of opportunity for children is acceptable. You can't stop teachers wanting the best paid and appealing jobs. You could ban private education but I doubt that would work out too well. The system reflects Darwinian principles. Those that succeed have the advantages and make the rules. Appealing as it is to equalise things through policy, I believe it is doomed to failure. VAT on school fees is really just a stealth tax on the rich. I'm not convinced it is going to work for the purposes of social engineering. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Apr 2017 2.13pm)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If it is then it isn't doing a very good job is it.

Social mobility in this country is a joke regardless of the type of government.

All children should have access to the best available teachers. Private system hoard them.

We don't have a fire service or army that only serves an elite nor should we have an education system that is broken into two systems.

I realise on this I'm pretty far left....But I've honestly never seen how not having equality of opportunity for children is acceptable.

You can't stop teachers wanting the best paid and appealing jobs. You could ban private education but I doubt that would work out too well. The system reflects Darwinian principles. Those that succeed have the advantages and make the rules. Appealing as it is to equalise things through policy, I believe it is doomed to failure. VAT on school fees is really just a stealth tax on the rich. I'm not convinced it is going to work for the purposes of social engineering.

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Stirlingsays 06 Apr 17 2.13pm
Originally posted by Nest So what one of Corbyn's 10 pledges is a 'Shock' that you also support? Do you write for the Guardian? Edited by Nest (06 Apr 2017 2.00pm) Corbyn has ten pledges? You know more about it than I do. Eh no....can't stand the rag....though it does produce occasionally nice infographics. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Apr 17 2.13pm

Originally posted by Nest

So what one of Corbyn's 10 pledges is a 'Shock' that you also support?
Do you write for the Guardian?

Edited by Nest (06 Apr 2017 2.00pm)

Corbyn has ten pledges?

You know more about it than I do.

Eh no....can't stand the rag....though it does produce occasionally nice infographics.

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DanH SW2 06 Apr 17 2.15pm
Originally posted by Only 10 a year!! How does offering free school meals for all benefit? Most families can afford to pay for the meals or a packed lunch and subsidising them rather than focussing that money on other much needed areas of education does not make sense. The current means based system for free school meals works although if there are worries it does not reach all needy students then the testing could be revised. There is no point offering freebies to middle class children for no reason and just a quick soundbite. Each students meals cost approx. £500 a year per student and would cost £2 billion for all primary school students, would the VAT on Private Education cover the costs? Considering private school fees are £10-£20k per year and there are apparently 600,000 kids in private education - yes.
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SW2 06 Apr 17 2.15pm

Originally posted by Only 10 a year!!

How does offering free school meals for all benefit?

Most families can afford to pay for the meals or a packed lunch and subsidising them rather than focussing that money on other much needed areas of education does not make sense.

The current means based system for free school meals works although if there are worries it does not reach all needy students then the testing could be revised.

There is no point offering freebies to middle class children for no reason and just a quick soundbite.

Each students meals cost approx. £500 a year per student and would cost £2 billion for all primary school students, would the VAT on Private Education cover the costs?

Considering private school fees are £10-£20k per year and there are apparently 600,000 kids in private education - yes.

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Only 10 a year!! 06 Apr 17 2.18pm
Originally posted by DanH Considering private school fees are £10-£20k per year and there are apparently 600,000 kids in private education - yes. Only on the top of your range :-)
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06 Apr 17 2.18pm

Originally posted by DanH

Considering private school fees are £10-£20k per year and there are apparently 600,000 kids in private education - yes.

Only on the top of your range :-)

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Nest 06 Apr 17 2.19pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Corbyn has ten pledges? You know more about it than I do. Eh no....can't stand the rag....though it does produce occasionally nice infographics. So how is this policy a 'shock' to you when you don't know any single one of his policies?
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06 Apr 17 2.19pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Corbyn has ten pledges?

You know more about it than I do.

Eh no....can't stand the rag....though it does produce occasionally nice infographics.

So how is this policy a 'shock' to you when you don't know any single one of his policies?

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Nest 06 Apr 17 2.20pm
Originally posted by Only 10 a year!! How does offering free school meals for all benefit? healthier children, better academic performance and an end to the stigma around free school meals
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06 Apr 17 2.20pm

Originally posted by Only 10 a year!!

How does offering free school meals for all benefit?

healthier children, better academic performance and an end to the stigma around free school meals

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Only 10 a year!! 06 Apr 17 2.22pm
Originally posted by Nest healthier children, better academic performance and an end to the stigma around free school meals But the majority do not need the help, so why focus £2b of income where it is not needed? There is not that great a stigma to FSM.
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06 Apr 17 2.22pm

Originally posted by Nest

healthier children, better academic performance and an end to the stigma around free school meals

But the majority do not need the help, so why focus £2b of income where it is not needed?

There is not that great a stigma to FSM.

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Stirlingsays 06 Apr 17 2.23pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You can't stop teachers wanting the best paid and appealing jobs. You could ban private education but I doubt that would work out too well. The system reflects Darwinian principles. Those that succeed have the advantages and make the rules. Appealing as it is to equalise things through policy, I believe it is doomed to failure. VAT on school fees is really just a stealth tax on the rich. I'm not convinced it is going to work for the purposes of social engineering. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Apr 2017 2.13pm) Personally I would ban the private education system. In the same way we ban private armies or private fire services. Private systems are divisive and produce and encourage elites....who then suck up the best within society just for themselves and their kids. Government should be run for the many not the few. We should encourage meritocracy not elitism. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Apr 17 2.23pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Apr 2017 2.13pm)

Personally I would ban the private education system.

In the same way we ban private armies or private fire services.

Private systems are divisive and produce and encourage elites....who then suck up the best within society just for themselves and their kids.

Government should be run for the many not the few.

We should encourage meritocracy not elitism.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Apr 17 2.25pm
Maggie wouldn't even let kids have free milk.
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Shizzlehurst 06 Apr 17 2.25pm

Maggie wouldn't even let kids have free milk.

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