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jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Apr 17 1.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
I don't get this version of the Tories at all. They seem hell-bent on alienating everyone, even their core support. Their recent attacks on the self-employed (particularly contractors) are inexplicable. They do seem to be genuinely lashing out all over the place. The contractors thing is interesting, especially the whole Public vs Private situation, which already has begun to backfire, and it hasn't come into force yet. It'll either force contractors into permanent work, or result in contractor rates significantly rising. Chatting to an agent recently, she was finding it impossible to fill MOD roles at 250 a day, that previously were easy to fill, simply because the new tax rules make it pointless. People seem to either be going permanent, or into private sector contracts. Even the big IT companies think the rulings are going to end up costing government departments more, because they'll either have to pick up the costs of permanent employees who are 'sat on the bench' or pay much higher rates to compensate for the absurdly large tax increase. The absurdity of this is the amount they 'extorting' here, no the idea of paying a fairer rate - The approach seems more about HMRC trying to just eliminate the contractor markets, in spite for their previous failures (IR35's success rate, Tax Havens etc). Clearly they've been given a mandate to go after 'tax avoiders' and decided to cut their own throat in the process. I doubt I'd take a government facing contract now for less than twice what I would have done last year. Because you just know that when this all backfires, it'll be another absurd attempt. Plus arguably the legislation is illegal, given it discriminates between who your employer is supplying work to?
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jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Apr 17 1.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Username
They haven't got any opposition, so they are free to do whatever they want. I think the problem is that they don't actually seem to know what they want to do.
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matt_himself Matataland 05 Apr 17 1.10pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
And start caring more about some tiny island than poor kids getting fed? I can't wait... What you will see is that words of those whom wish to pursue dangerous, expensive and unnecessary social engineering projects, are illuminated with emotive language which has been designed to make the suggestible vulnerable to their message, whom in turn use it as a tool to make themselves feel superior. Should you wish to believe this stuff as fact without questioning it, that is your right, sunshine.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Apr 17 1.11pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
In that vid it's hard to argue Corbyn isn't providing effective opposition. He's clearly and forcefully attacking the s*** that the government are putting out there. That the only link to him doing so is on the momentum twitter page speaks volumes, while the major tabloid in this country starts gearing up the weapons over Gibraltar. The Tories are tearing this country apart. The fact that senior ministers are even discussing war with Spain is evidemce of this. The only alternative is Labour or revolution, and i think both are better alternatives right now. So when May wins the next general election by a landslide and the Labour Party is reduced to a few seats, you will be starting a revolution will you? What's the plan? I'm afraid you can probably rule out a popular uprising. Edited by hedgehog50 (05 Apr 2017 1.12pm)
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serial thriller The Promised Land 05 Apr 17 1.12pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
What you will see is that words of those whom wish to pursue dangerous, expensive and unnecessary social engineering projects, are illuminated with emotive language which has been designed to make the suggestible vulnerable to their message, whom in turn use it as a tool to make themselves feel superior. Should you wish to believe this stuff as fact without questioning it, that is your right, sunshine. I always thought you were pro-UKIP Matt but fair play, you hit the nail on the head about them there.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Apr 17 1.14pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
So when May wins the next general election by a landslide and the Labour Party is reduced to a few seats, you will be starting a revolution will you? What's the plan? I'm afraid you can probably rule out a popular uprising. Edited by hedgehog50 (05 Apr 2017 1.12pm)
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serial thriller The Promised Land 05 Apr 17 1.16pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
So when May wins the next general election by a landslide and the Labour Party is reduced to a few seats, you will be starting a revolution will you? What's the plan? I'm afraid you can probably rule out a popular uprising. Edited by hedgehog50 (05 Apr 2017 1.12pm) Simple. Full automation, 6 hour days, democratic representation at all levels, UBI. Im guessing you think 5 more years of the Tories is a better option?
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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 05 Apr 17 1.20pm | |
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Few seem to grasp that these aren't really choices. We have huge trade deficits, huge budget deficits and generally owe the world a f*** ton of money. Our only way out is to double the bet, knowing that our creditors can no more afford the day of our reckoning than we can. In a situation like this, the govt needs to tax whoever it can as much as it can while desperately trying to keep the property market inflating (so that our economic 'model' keeps working and money keeps spinning around the system.) These forces drive so many other conversations but are never discussed. Happy to hear why I'm wrong.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Apr 17 1.23pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Out of interest, do you agree with the tenet of Corbyn's points in the video? The tenet of his points? No, I don't share his beliefs. As for the school begging letters. How many were there? I can only find reference to one that Corbyn says someone called Elizabeth told him about. Could it be a entrepreneurial head teacher trying to raise a few extra quid for the school?
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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 05 Apr 17 1.23pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
They do seem to be genuinely lashing out all over the place. The contractors thing is interesting, especially the whole Public vs Private situation, which already has begun to backfire, and it hasn't come into force yet. It'll either force contractors into permanent work, or result in contractor rates significantly rising. Chatting to an agent recently, she was finding it impossible to fill MOD roles at 250 a day, that previously were easy to fill, simply because the new tax rules make it pointless. People seem to either be going permanent, or into private sector contracts. Even the big IT companies think the rulings are going to end up costing government departments more, because they'll either have to pick up the costs of permanent employees who are 'sat on the bench' or pay much higher rates to compensate for the absurdly large tax increase. The absurdity of this is the amount they 'extorting' here, no the idea of paying a fairer rate - The approach seems more about HMRC trying to just eliminate the contractor markets, in spite for their previous failures (IR35's success rate, Tax Havens etc). Clearly they've been given a mandate to go after 'tax avoiders' and decided to cut their own throat in the process. I doubt I'd take a government facing contract now for less than twice what I would have done last year. Because you just know that when this all backfires, it'll be another absurd attempt. Plus arguably the legislation is illegal, given it discriminates between who your employer is supplying work to? The public sector are going to find it almost impossible to take contractors on now. I've been offered a new contract and neither I nor my accountant can say for sure whether it's inside or outside IR35. Worryingly, HMRC don't know either. Edited by Cucking Funt (05 Apr 2017 1.26pm)
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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 Apr 17 1.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig
Few seem to grasp that these aren't really choices. We have huge trade deficits, huge budget deficits and generally owe the world a f*** ton of money. Our only way out is to double the bet, knowing that our creditors can no more afford the day of our reckoning than we can. In a situation like this, the govt needs to tax whoever it can as much as it can while desperately trying to keep the property market inflating (so that our economic 'model' keeps working and money keeps spinning around the system.) These forces drive so many other conversations but are never discussed. Happy to hear why I'm wrong. Good post, although it's worth noting that the Government taxing whoever it can isn't the same thing as the Government taxing everyone it should.
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matt_himself Matataland 05 Apr 17 1.30pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
I always thought you were pro-UKIP Matt but fair play, you hit the nail on the head about them there. The left are all the same. Challenge them and they can only respond facetiously because they need their responses spoon fed to them well in advance of them being questioned. Why don't you think for yourself rather than suck up loaded propaganda that you clearly don't have the intelligence to defend independently?
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