Then that's fair enough. I can't begrudge someone consistent in their views, but I'm equally as consistent and I think given not just the results but the complete oblivion of organisation under Pardew, that doesn't make me deluded. Its so easy to just do the whole "where's the Pardew out brigade now" but in reality, what was the alternative? Ok it looks as if it may not work out but whether people wanna admit it or not, this is Pardews team, this is what he built over a consistent period of time. Sam appears to be TRYING to get some form of organisation back and build from there, but it all seems too little to late - at least we tried.

We're the Arthur over ere!

That's like me saying "when has Sam ever been relegated?" It's just an irrelevant thing to say. Just because Sam hasn't been relegated, it doesn't mean he won't be (evidently), but just because we were never in the bottom 3 under Pardew doesn't mean we weren't heading there quickly! You're insinuating that there is meaning behind not being in the bottom 3 under Pardew when the reality was we were plummeting to relegation with or without Big Sam. I just find it all abit childish. Pardew was very poor, what has happened afterwards doesn't all of a sudden mean he wasn't.

We're the Arthur over ere!

The argument isn't did pardew deserve the sack it's have we improved under allardyce and the answer is we've got even worse.

I think given the difference style and what he has inhereted it was always inevitable we'd get worse before we got better. I'll gladly admit I didn't think it would take this long though. Whatever your side of th argument it's undoubtedly a very sad time for the club as we seem to of thrown away something bigger than has ever been achieved at Palace before. I've already resigned myself to the championship, there are things I will always miss about the championship and I've always said that but on balance the pros far outweigh to cons being a premier league team and it's such a shame.

Fingers crossed if we go down it will be nothing more than a wake up call and we come straight back up and learn from our mistakes..

We're the Arthur over ere!

That, I regret, will not happen. The only way we could have even hoped for that is if we'd spent the last four years improving the infrastructure and had a group of players, the majority of which we could retain, plus if we just had the original four owners, who'd have swallowed the losses. Unfortunately we have none of these things.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

The facts are that West Ham are a bigger, better and more-established (in the top division), better-supported club than we are or, at this rate, are ever likely to be and stood a much better chance of 'bouncing back' than we ever will. I'm not convinced, if we do go down, that Sam would stay or whether he's got the heart for the fight any more if he did.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)