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SurreyEagle16 Next Door 21 Dec 16 3.37pm
For me, one of the biggest fallacies in football is that playing passing, possession based football is "the right way" to play...and is necessary if you want to be successful. The success of Barca and Spain over the last decade (which incidentally contain a lot of the same players) made that style en vogue. But as other posters have suggested, there are ample examples of teams in different countries enjoying plenty of success with different styles. In my opinion, this style of football is very difficult to deploy unless you have very good players relative to your opposition...which we do not at the moment...hence our current plight.
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Next Door 21 Dec 16 3.37pm

For me, one of the biggest fallacies in football is that playing passing, possession based football is "the right way" to play...and is necessary if you want to be successful.
The success of Barca and Spain over the last decade (which incidentally contain a lot of the same players) made that style en vogue. But as other posters have suggested, there are ample examples of teams in different countries enjoying plenty of success with different styles.
In my opinion, this style of football is very difficult to deploy unless you have very good players relative to your opposition...which we do not at the moment...hence our current plight.

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MKCPFC Spain/MK 21 Dec 16 3.41pm
Originally posted by cardiff eagle Pardew himself has talked about a transition to a new style of play etc. Just wondering whether anyone found the "new style" any more fun or interesting than the "old style"? For me, I actually preferred the old style of containing teams then breaking quickly on the attack. That was quite exciting to watch and results wise, far more effective. For me, the only reason that style wasn't working was that we didn't have the striker to make it work properly. We now have so what's the harm in giving it a go? Totally with you on all of this.
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Spain/MK 21 Dec 16 3.41pm

Originally posted by cardiff eagle

Pardew himself has talked about a transition to a new style of play etc.

Just wondering whether anyone found the "new style" any more fun or interesting than the "old style"? For me, I actually preferred the old style of containing teams then breaking quickly on the attack. That was quite exciting to watch and results wise, far more effective.

For me, the only reason that style wasn't working was that we didn't have the striker to make it work properly. We now have so what's the harm in giving it a go?

Totally with you on all of this.

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chateauferret 21 Dec 16 3.45pm
Originally posted by cardiff eagle Pardew himself has talked about a transition to a new style of play etc. Just wondering whether anyone found the "new style" any more fun or interesting than the "old style"? No. We were highly effective when we defended well and got results, both under Pulis and the first year under Pardew. Getting quality strikers and improving the ball up to them should be adding to that, not replacing it. You don't knock down your ground floor in order to build a loft conversion. ============ The Ferret ============
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21 Dec 16 3.45pm

Originally posted by cardiff eagle

Pardew himself has talked about a transition to a new style of play etc.

Just wondering whether anyone found the "new style" any more fun or interesting than the "old style"?

No. We were highly effective when we defended well and got results, both under Pulis and the first year under Pardew. Getting quality strikers and improving the ball up to them should be adding to that, not replacing it. You don't knock down your ground floor in order to build a loft conversion.

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bexleydave Barnehurst 21 Dec 16 3.47pm
Originally posted by Beastie Swansea came up and played nice football – and now they’re sht. It shows that this idea that playing pretty football makes you ‘next level’ and somehow more established in this league is not true. Attractive football is the icing on the cake and right now, we don’t have a fcking cake. We don’t pass the ball well, it’s not easy on the eye and we’re scoring more goals by sacrificing the basics. There’s nothing clever or futuristic about that. It can’t go on like this. Lovely turn of phrase I agree with the points that you're making 100%. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ***** thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 21 Dec 16 3.47pm

Originally posted by Beastie

Swansea came up and played nice football – and now they’re sh*t. It shows that this idea that playing pretty football makes you ‘next level’ and somehow more established in this league is not true.

Attractive football is the icing on the cake and right now, we don’t have a f*cking cake. We don’t pass the ball well, it’s not easy on the eye and we’re scoring more goals by sacrificing the basics. There’s nothing clever or futuristic about that.

It can’t go on like this.

Lovely turn of phrase

I agree with the points that you're making 100%.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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MKCPFC Spain/MK 21 Dec 16 3.52pm
Originally posted by Beastie Swansea came up and played nice football – and now they’re sht. It shows that this idea that playing pretty football makes you ‘next level’ and somehow more established in this league is not true. Attractive football is the icing on the cake and right now, we don’t have a fcking cake. We don’t pass the ball well, it’s not easy on the eye and we’re scoring more goals by sacrificing the basics. There’s nothing clever or futuristic about that. It can’t go on like this. Brilliant.
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MKCPFC

Spain/MK 21 Dec 16 3.52pm

Originally posted by Beastie

Attractive football is the icing on the cake and right now, we don’t have a f*cking cake. We don’t pass the ball well, it’s not easy on the eye and we’re scoring more goals by sacrificing the basics. There’s nothing clever or futuristic about that.

It can’t go on like this.

Brilliant.

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ex hibitionist Hastings 21 Dec 16 3.53pm
It's easy to forget that when Pardew was at Reading and in his early days at West Ham he was very route one - remember Briane Deane coming on late in the play off final and the ball continuously launched towards his head from their half? Bit like Holloway he's left route one behind and gone more 'continental' and fallen in love with tactics and big ideas - at times he'd be better off returning to his pragmatic approach, as we've seen lately. He'll play it tight and try and nick a win at Watford. Kevin Day was very scathing of Pardew on Hawkbee and Jacobs the other day - said his recent thumbs up to SP was more embarrassing than the cup final dance, and bringing off Jimmy Mac before United scored didn't impress him either. His words are normally couched more subtly, he reckons there's about three fans left who are pro-Pardew, slight under-estimate.
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It's easy to forget that when Pardew was at Reading and in his early days at West Ham he was very route one - remember Briane Deane coming on late in the play off final and the ball continuously launched towards his head from their half? Bit like Holloway he's left route one behind and gone more 'continental' and fallen in love with tactics and big ideas - at times he'd be better off returning to his pragmatic approach, as we've seen lately. He'll play it tight and try and nick a win at Watford. Kevin Day was very scathing of Pardew on Hawkbee and Jacobs the other day - said his recent thumbs up to SP was more embarrassing than the cup final dance, and bringing off Jimmy Mac before United scored didn't impress him either. His words are normally couched more subtly, he reckons there's about three fans left who are pro-Pardew, slight under-estimate.

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bexleydave Barnehurst 21 Dec 16 4.02pm
Originally posted by ex hibitionist It's easy to forget that when Pardew was at Reading and in his early days at West Ham he was very route one - remember Briane Deane coming on late in the play off final and the ball continuously launched towards his head from their half? Bit like Holloway he's left route one behind and gone more 'continental' and fallen in love with tactics and big ideas - at times he'd be better off returning to his pragmatic approach, as we've seen lately. He'll play it tight and try and nick a win at Watford. Kevin Day was very scathing of Pardew on Hawkbee and Jacobs the other day - said his recent thumbs up to SP was more embarrassing than the cup final dance, and bringing off Jimmy Mac before United scored didn't impress him either. His words are normally couched more subtly, he reckons there's about three fans left who are pro-Pardew, slight under-estimate. Absolutely; there's at least four on here Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 21 Dec 16 4.02pm

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

It's easy to forget that when Pardew was at Reading and in his early days at West Ham he was very route one - remember Briane Deane coming on late in the play off final and the ball continuously launched towards his head from their half? Bit like Holloway he's left route one behind and gone more 'continental' and fallen in love with tactics and big ideas - at times he'd be better off returning to his pragmatic approach, as we've seen lately. He'll play it tight and try and nick a win at Watford. Kevin Day was very scathing of Pardew on Hawkbee and Jacobs the other day - said his recent thumbs up to SP was more embarrassing than the cup final dance, and bringing off Jimmy Mac before United scored didn't impress him either. His words are normally couched more subtly, he reckons there's about three fans left who are pro-Pardew, slight under-estimate.

Absolutely; there's at least four on here

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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Inapickle South West 27 Dec 16 12.43am
Originally posted by cardiff eagle Interesting- for me, we've been told that to progress we need to play a certain way but I don't believe that's true. Looking at last year, Leicester did the complete opposite and stuck to quick counter attacking football and won the league! And Chelsea are now doing the same! Edited by cardiff eagle (21 Dec 2016 1.24pm) ..Kanté.
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Inapickle

South West 27 Dec 16 12.43am

Originally posted by cardiff eagle

Interesting- for me, we've been told that to progress we need to play a certain way but I don't believe that's true. Looking at last year, Leicester did the complete opposite and stuck to quick counter attacking football and won the league! And Chelsea are now doing the same!

Edited by cardiff eagle (21 Dec 2016 1.24pm)

..Kanté.

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