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Nobbybm Dartford 12 Dec 16 9.16am
Originally posted by The Dolphin True - but I think Man Utd were at least winning games on a regular basis at the time. Nah - poor season & finished mid-table after (just about) knocking the clowns over last game. By their standards, not acceptable. Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!
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Nobbybm

Dartford 12 Dec 16 9.16am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

True - but I think Man Utd were at least winning games on a regular basis at the time.

Nah - poor season & finished mid-table after (just about) knocking the clowns over last game. By their standards, not acceptable.

Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!

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dynamicdick Dormansland 12 Dec 16 9.16am
Originally posted by The Dolphin True - but I think Man Utd were at least winning games on a regular basis at the time. Over to you Willo give us the stats! Bring back Brolin
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dynamicdick

Dormansland 12 Dec 16 9.16am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

True - but I think Man Utd were at least winning games on a regular basis at the time.

Over to you Willo give us the stats!

Bring back Brolin

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Nobbybm Dartford 12 Dec 16 9.22am
Still not sure what the deal is with AP. As has been said, anywhere else he'd have been long gone. I get that he's making major changes behind the scenes & helping build a structure for the future however, that's all pointless if you're relegated. Maybe SP & the Board see things that have convinced them we'll be ok - if not, I hope they're making plans for change. Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!
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Nobbybm

Dartford 12 Dec 16 9.22am

Still not sure what the deal is with AP. As has been said, anywhere else he'd have been long gone.

I get that he's making major changes behind the scenes & helping build a structure for the future however, that's all pointless if you're relegated. Maybe SP & the Board see things that have convinced them we'll be ok - if not, I hope they're making plans for change.

Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!

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bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 12 Dec 16 10.02am
After the long awaited press statement from Steve Parish i got the impression that the FA Cup run saved Pardew his job and Parish is blinded by that. He mentioned we were just 8 minutes away from winning the fa cup. Whilst i really want Pardew gone i can see the position Parish is in. The experiance he has had with managers must leave him reluctant to make the much needed change.Better the devil you know. The payoff probably does not enter SP mind when thinking about Pardews employment the money that Pulis has to pay will probably cover that anyway.I cannot see Pardew being sacked even if we lose our next 6 games. The pressure will mount on Parish not only from the fans but from the investors too.
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Carparks in South East London 12 Dec 16 10.02am

After the long awaited press statement from Steve Parish i got the impression that the FA Cup run saved Pardew his job and Parish is blinded by that. He mentioned we were just 8 minutes away from winning the fa cup.
Whilst i really want Pardew gone i can see the position Parish is in. The experiance he has had with managers must leave him reluctant to make the much needed change.Better the devil you know. The payoff probably does not enter SP mind when thinking about Pardews employment the money that Pulis has to pay will probably cover that anyway.I cannot see Pardew being sacked even if we lose our next 6 games. The pressure will mount on Parish not only from the fans but from the investors too.

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The Dolphin 12 Dec 16 4.05pm
Had we lost against Southampton he would have surely gone. Given his comments after that match I am still surprised he is our Manager. What SP had to say on the radio last week must have embarrassed him to have to make up that ridiculous Investor story. Pardew is on very borrowed time right now - the Anericans will not be happy people and SP can only persuade them so much before they insist that he goes. Stories I have heard about them suggest that they do not f*** about in situations such as this so we will see what happens over the next few days. Edited by The Dolphin (12 Dec 2016 4.05pm)
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The Dolphin

12 Dec 16 4.05pm

Had we lost against Southampton he would have surely gone.
Given his comments after that match I am still surprised he is our Manager.
What SP had to say on the radio last week must have embarrassed him to have to make up that ridiculous Investor story.
Pardew is on very borrowed time right now - the Anericans will not be happy people and SP can only persuade them so much before they insist that he goes.
Stories I have heard about them suggest that they do not f*** about in situations such as this so we will see what happens over the next few days.

Edited by The Dolphin (12 Dec 2016 4.05pm)

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Jacey 12 Dec 16 4.17pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin Had we lost against Southampton he would have surely gone. Given his comments after that match I am still surprised he is our Manager. What SP had to say on the radio last week must have embarrassed him to have to make up that ridiculous Investor story. Pardew is on very borrowed time right now - the Anericans will not be happy people and SP can only persuade them so much before they insist that he goes. Stories I have heard about them suggest that they do not f*** about in situations such as this so we will see what happens over the next few days. Edited by The Dolphin (12 Dec 2016 4.05pm) If that is the case, in the light of the next 4 games which we could easily manage to lose, Pardew would appear to be a dead man walking.
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Jacey

12 Dec 16 4.17pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Edited by The Dolphin (12 Dec 2016 4.05pm)

If that is the case, in the light of the next 4 games which we could easily manage to lose, Pardew would appear to be a dead man walking.

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Beanyboysmd 12 Dec 16 4.20pm
Its wierd how split down the middle we are as fans when it comes to Pardew, the last 2 weeks opposition have said we looked decent, commentators have said we look much better, opposition fans say we look better, stats say we look better, all these 'power rankings' and stuff say we have improved massivly, the players look better, yet the 'pardew out' fans dont care about that. We have conceded double figures in the last 3 games, have one of the worst records in the whole of european top flifht teams, hold a lead for an average of about 4 minutes and we as fans have almost no faith in our ability to hold out for even a draw when we are ahead, yet the 'pardew stay' crowd will not care about that... The fact is whatever camp you are with, you have a hell of a case to make!
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Beanyboysmd

12 Dec 16 4.20pm

Its wierd how split down the middle we are as fans when it comes to Pardew, the last 2 weeks opposition have said we looked decent, commentators have said we look much better, opposition fans say we look better, stats say we look better, all these 'power rankings' and stuff say we have improved massivly, the players look better, yet the 'pardew out' fans dont care about that.
We have conceded double figures in the last 3 games, have one of the worst records in the whole of european top flifht teams, hold a lead for an average of about 4 minutes and we as fans have almost no faith in our ability to hold out for even a draw when we are ahead, yet the 'pardew stay' crowd will not care about that...

The fact is whatever camp you are with, you have a hell of a case to make!

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The Dolphin 12 Dec 16 4.52pm
I think it is about the future more than the past but naturally the past is very relevant. Can Pardew take us forward - I don't think he is that man. We have gone backwards statistically under him although that is assuming that the rest of this season will not be much different to what it is now - and we can't assume anything where CPFC are concerned! Are we scoring more goals - yes we are. Do we look a better team today than a year ago or 18 months ago - not in my opinion. Goals against are farcical - 29 in 15 games - could be over 70 by the end of the season. I also cannot believe that he has been working hard on the defending in training - I just do not believe that our defenders (other than Kelly) are that bad. Something is wrong and the future does not look rosy at all and therein lies my problem.
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The Dolphin

12 Dec 16 4.52pm

I think it is about the future more than the past but naturally the past is very relevant.
Can Pardew take us forward - I don't think he is that man.
We have gone backwards statistically under him although that is assuming that the rest of this season will not be much different to what it is now - and we can't assume anything where CPFC are concerned!
Are we scoring more goals - yes we are.
Do we look a better team today than a year ago or 18 months ago - not in my opinion.
Goals against are farcical - 29 in 15 games - could be over 70 by the end of the season.
I also cannot believe that he has been working hard on the defending in training - I just do not believe that our defenders (other than Kelly) are that bad.
Something is wrong and the future does not look rosy at all and therein lies my problem.

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 12 Dec 16 5.07pm
Originally posted by Beanyboysmd Its wierd how split down the middle we are as fans when it comes to Pardew, the last 2 weeks opposition have said we looked decent, commentators have said we look much better, opposition fans say we look better, stats say we look better, all these 'power rankings' and stuff say we have improved massivly, the players look better, yet the 'pardew out' fans dont care about that. We have conceded double figures in the last 3 games, have one of the worst records in the whole of european top flifht teams, hold a lead for an average of about 4 minutes and we as fans have almost no faith in our ability to hold out for even a draw when we are ahead, yet the 'pardew stay' crowd will not care about that... The fact is whatever camp you are with, you have a hell of a case to make! How do you know its split down the middle. A few regulars gobbing off on here doesnt mean every one is anti Pardew. When you start seeing falling attendances (as at west brom) would be a true barometer. Some of us are still happy to be here for an extended top flight run. Its called realism.
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Deal or Croydon 12 Dec 16 5.07pm

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

The fact is whatever camp you are with, you have a hell of a case to make!

How do you know its split down the middle. A few regulars gobbing off on here doesnt mean every one is anti Pardew. When you start seeing falling attendances (as at west brom) would be a true barometer. Some of us are still happy to be here for an extended top flight run. Its called realism.

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ThatPetrolRelation Ottawa 12 Dec 16 5.09pm
I don't really get the obsession with using a calendar year to rate managers. Teams play by seasons, not calendars. If we got Benteke in January, I think last season would have been different. As far as I'm concerned, Pards had a great start in 2015-16, and a horrific finish. (Mourinho just had a horrific start and he was finished). The squad wasn't that strong, and was weakened by injuries. Not sure how much people expected with Adebayor leading the line, and a Centre Back as out top scorer. Our Goalkeepers were not seen to be top class around here. This season, we are scoring for fun, a total change. But Pape's injury screwed our Defence. Yes, it would be nice to have a £8m replacement sitting on the bench, but that's not Palace --so it's Kelly and Fryers till January. Tomkins is taking time to settle in, but he keeps getting injured. The way I see it, Pards has two stars (Zaha and Big Ben). Four good players who can be dominant on their day (McArthur, Dann, Puncheon, Tomkins). Two players who haven't lived up to their expectations (Cabaye, Townsend). And three players who are solid (Damo, Ward, Ledley), but would not make the bench of a top-half team. Our Keepers have been average. Then we have squad players who can fill in, but really shouldn't be starting, and those in the physio room. With this team I don't expect Palace to light the world on fire, even if we had Mancini as a Manager. I imagine Parish did not succeed in bringing in all the players he'd wanted (James McCarthy, Jack Wiltshire, or Saido Berahino would be useful right now). He realizes he's left Pards with little cover and no depth (with Pape and Wickham done, and Remy never begun). So it makes sense to give Pards to the window, bring in 3 more players so Pards has a chance to field 11 Prem-quality players, and maybe actually have some decent choices on the bench.
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I don't really get the obsession with using a calendar year to rate managers. Teams play by seasons, not calendars. If we got Benteke in January, I think last season would have been different.

As far as I'm concerned, Pards had a great start in 2015-16, and a horrific finish. (Mourinho just had a horrific start and he was finished). The squad wasn't that strong, and was weakened by injuries. Not sure how much people expected with Adebayor leading the line, and a Centre Back as out top scorer. Our Goalkeepers were not seen to be top class around here.

This season, we are scoring for fun, a total change. But Pape's injury screwed our Defence. Yes, it would be nice to have a £8m replacement sitting on the bench, but that's not Palace --so it's Kelly and Fryers till January. Tomkins is taking time to settle in, but he keeps getting injured.

The way I see it, Pards has two stars (Zaha and Big Ben). Four good players who can be dominant on their day (McArthur, Dann, Puncheon, Tomkins). Two players who haven't lived up to their expectations (Cabaye, Townsend). And three players who are solid (Damo, Ward, Ledley), but would not make the bench of a top-half team. Our Keepers have been average. Then we have squad players who can fill in, but really shouldn't be starting, and those in the physio room.

With this team I don't expect Palace to light the world on fire, even if we had Mancini as a Manager.

I imagine Parish did not succeed in bringing in all the players he'd wanted (James McCarthy, Jack Wiltshire, or Saido Berahino would be useful right now).

He realizes he's left Pards with little cover and no depth (with Pape and Wickham done, and Remy never begun).

So it makes sense to give Pards to the window, bring in 3 more players so Pards has a chance to field 11 Prem-quality players, and maybe actually have some decent choices on the bench.

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Beanyboysmd 12 Dec 16 5.26pm
Originally posted by sickboy How do you know its split down the middle. A few regulars gobbing off on here doesnt mean every one is anti Pardew. When you start seeing falling attendances (as at west brom) would be a true barometer. Some of us are still happy to be here for an extended top flight run. Its called realism. Your right, i dont think 'down the middle' was good wording, its genuinly impossible to tell from here where the split is exactly...a lot of noise is not the same as a majority. My point still stands though that most people have an opinion one way or another and wont be swayed by facts from the other side.
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Beanyboysmd

12 Dec 16 5.26pm

Originally posted by sickboy

Your right, i dont think 'down the middle' was good wording, its genuinly impossible to tell from here where the split is exactly...a lot of noise is not the same as a majority.
My point still stands though that most people have an opinion one way or another and wont be swayed by facts from the other side.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Dec 16 5.32pm
Problem is petrolrelation is that whether we have the strongest 11 or not quite the strongest 11 we are playing like a team that isn't focused or disciplined, not fit enough or mentally strong enough. They are all prem players, not championship players unready for this. Conceding goals from corners or our own corners, not backing each other up or covering each other, letting oppo (hull ffs) walk the ball from midfield, into the box and into the 6 yard area to slot it away. And that's some player at the bottom of the league taking it past 2 internationals and 1 who we thought should be in Dann before now. I'm sorry but this cr&p has to be dealt with now. Without Zaha we would be without hope of surviving and relying on one player and punts.to striker and penalties isn't good enough. I reckon the players know AP isn't good enough but can't afford to let points slip so plod on knowing he'll have to go soon anyway. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 12 Dec 16 5.32pm

Problem is petrolrelation is that whether we have the strongest 11 or not quite the strongest 11 we are playing like a team that isn't focused or disciplined, not fit enough or mentally strong enough. They are all prem players, not championship players unready for this.

Conceding goals from corners or our own corners, not backing each other up or covering each other, letting oppo (hull ffs) walk the ball from midfield, into the box and into the 6 yard area to slot it away. And that's some player at the bottom of the league taking it past 2 internationals and 1 who we thought should be in Dann before now.

I'm sorry but this cr&p has to be dealt with now. Without Zaha we would be without hope of surviving and relying on one player and punts.to striker and penalties isn't good enough. I reckon the players know AP isn't good enough but can't afford to let points slip so plod on knowing he'll have to go soon anyway.

COYP

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