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Mr_Flow Flag London 07 Dec 16 4.15pm Send a Private Message to Mr_Flow Add Mr_Flow as a friend

Originally posted by Mad4palace

Incorrect, Cabaye started the Sunderland match which we won 3-2. I think it is that he's not finished the full 90 minutes where we've won this season or something like that.

Didn't play in the wins against Middlesborough or Stoke, suspended for Southampton and didn't finish the game against Sunderland.

Cabaye also started against Bournemouth where we got a point.

 

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alaneagle1 Flag Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 07 Dec 16 4.36pm Send a Private Message to alaneagle1 Add alaneagle1 as a friend

Originally posted by Mr_Flow

Cabaye also started against Bournemouth where we got a point.

But not a Win.He also had a penalty saved.

 


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salop-eagle Flag 07 Dec 16 4.37pm Send a Private Message to salop-eagle Add salop-eagle as a friend

Just goes to show you can't trust Holmesdale Radio!
And there I was believing they knew what they were talking about!
Is the Ledley bit correct?

 

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Croydonlad Flag sydenham 07 Dec 16 4.44pm Send a Private Message to Croydonlad Add Croydonlad as a friend

McArthur is the key here
Not fussed about Ledley
But Mc never ever has a bad game

 

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Mad4palace Flag 07 Dec 16 4.47pm Send a Private Message to Mad4palace Add Mad4palace as a friend

Originally posted by MKCPFC

As posted previously about Cabaye not being on pitch at end of a Palace win :-

We beat Stoke last December when he was suspended.
I think the last game we won when he was on the pitch at the end was the 1-0 Home win against Norwich.
Then we beat Stoke at home coming from behind when he went off at half time. That was all last season.

He did not feature against 'Boro or Stoke , and went off before we staged the comeback against Sunderland.
This is correct.
Nearly a year since last December and he has only been on the pitch at the end of a Palace league win
twice.

Now we can add the Southampton to the list.

Cabaye rarely finished 90 minutes last year, he seemed to have a lot of injuries. We also did lose a lot of points due to Cabaye going off in games last season.

It's a little misleading to only use the lack of wins with him on the pitch at the end of the game and not take into account the scorelines when he's come off etc.

He did come on in the West Ham game and was a considerable improvement to Ledley who he replaced. At the moment you'd start Ledley but both he and Cabaye haven't really excelled this season and it is a position I'd like to see strengthened. I don't see either as having the right mix to play in the defensive midfield role.

 

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JRW2 Flag Dulwich 07 Dec 16 4.49pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by Croydonlad

McArthur is the key here
Not fussed about Ledley
But Mc never ever has a bad game

Yeah, he's either excellent or merely good.

As for Cabaye, I just wish he could stop yapping to the ref for five minutes. It must antagonise the ref and detract from his own concentration.

 

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MKCPFC Flag Spain/MK 07 Dec 16 6.23pm Send a Private Message to MKCPFC Add MKCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Mad4palace

Cabaye rarely finished 90 minutes last year, he seemed to have a lot of injuries. We also did lose a lot of points due to Cabaye going off in games last season.

It's a little misleading to only use the lack of wins with him on the pitch at the end of the game and not take into account the scorelines when he's come off etc.

He did come on in the West Ham game and was a considerable improvement to Ledley who he replaced. At the moment you'd start Ledley but both he and Cabaye haven't really excelled this season and it is a position I'd like to see strengthened. I don't see either as having the right mix to play in the defensive midfield role.

Just stating some facts.

I think it is a little bit more misleading to make out he has significant positive impact on games that we lose. West Ham , came on and made us better ? Our
two best chances were in the first half when Benteke missed a pen and a great headed chance when Cabaye was not on the pitch .
Some people even claiming he did well against Spurs when he came on, it was 0-0 , he missed the best chance of the game and we lost 1-0.

What games did we lose due to him coming off ?
Be interesting to prove that.
Remember facts not speculation.


 

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Mad4palace Flag 07 Dec 16 6.44pm Send a Private Message to Mad4palace Add Mad4palace as a friend

Originally posted by MKCPFC

Just stating some facts.

I think it is a little bit more misleading to make out he has significant positive impact on games that we lose. West Ham , came on and made us better ? Our
two best chances were in the first half when Benteke missed a pen and a great headed chance when Cabaye was not on the pitch .
Some people even claiming he did well against Spurs when he came on, it was 0-0 , he missed the best chance of the game and we lost 1-0.

What games did we lose due to him coming off ?
Be interesting to prove that.
Remember facts not speculation.



I'm not suggesting that you're being misleading, just that no one has laid out all of the facts; scorelines, stats from every game he's played. There are more permutations than simply the final score and the team that finished the 90 minutes in those games.

I distinctly remember a trend from last season where we ended up losing points when Cabaye (or incidently McArthur) was subbed off, I'm not going to go trawling through the results to back that up.

I was just pointing out that no one had shown all the facts so it is unfair to simply disregard a player on one selected stat.

 

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braunstoneagle Flag the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 07 Dec 16 6.51pm Send a Private Message to braunstoneagle Add braunstoneagle as a friend

i love it how people love to make out ledleys a better option than cabaye...i bet even ledley himself wouldnt be stupid enough to think that.

i love ledders to bits but hes no cabaye. nowhere near as good.

shouldnt we be talking about a decent defensive display rather than digging out our most technically gifted player?

 


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Bill Glazier Flag Mitcham 07 Dec 16 7.24pm Send a Private Message to Bill Glazier Add Bill Glazier as a friend

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

i love it how people love to make out ledleys a better option than cabaye...i bet even ledley himself wouldnt be stupid enough to think that.

i love ledders to bits but hes no cabaye. nowhere near as good.

shouldnt we be talking about a decent defensive display rather than digging out our most technically gifted player?

Well if as you say,and I take your word,that he is our most technically gifted player it would be nice to see it.

I can only remember a good cross for Bolasie last season that he headed in against West Brom.

Anyhow sometimes it takes a while to settle in.

Let's hope he improves.COYP.

 

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chateauferret Flag 07 Dec 16 9.35pm

Originally posted by Croydonlad

McArthur is the key here
Not fussed about Ledley
But Mc never ever has a bad game

The only time I've ever seen one he was playing for Scotland. But that says more about Scotland than it says about him.

 


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spartakev2 Flag Anerley 07 Dec 16 10.09pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

The only time I've ever seen one he was playing for Scotland. But that says more about Scotland than it says about him.

Wasn't that great in the cup final. ...

 

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