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palace chick South Croydon 04 Dec 16 10.32am | |
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Yes, it is a building process and perhaps Pardew, Parish and the American backers thought we were further ahead than we are. The objective has to be mid table / staying up. For the last couple of months I was sure we were heading down to the championship with this new style of play. I think unlike us fans they were thinking Palace were a top six side? Yesterday was back to basics and I have a bit more hope in Pardew now. However one swallow doesn't make a summer, so we shall see how the next few matches go. We need a result at Hull and the old backs to the wall spirit for the Moan Utd and Chelski matches. If we see that attitude but still lose to those two then that's okay with me but we need to cut out silly mistakes in our defending. We got away with it yesterday as Southampton were awful. Hull won't be as bad and nor will the two after. In January we need two probably three quality defenders and a defensive midfielder together with a forward. Our squad (mostly Pardew buys) is poor out of the first 11 - we shall see?
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Den1923 04 Dec 16 10.34am | |
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Originally posted by MKCPFC
Agree. And who know's, if we do hang around in the Premiership for a few more seasons we may be able to attract the right quality of players that will allow us to play better football and survive and maybe win the odd cup or two. Could not agree more with your comments!
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Den1923 04 Dec 16 10.42am | |
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Originally posted by palace chick
Yes, it is a building process and perhaps Pardew, Parish and the American backers thought we were further ahead than we are. The objective has to be mid table / staying up. For the last couple of months I was sure we were heading down to the championship with this new style of play. I think unlike us fans they were thinking Palace were a top six side? Yesterday was back to basics and I have a bit more hope in Pardew now. However one swallow doesn't make a summer, so we shall see how the next few matches go. We need a result at Hull and the old backs to the wall spirit for the Moan Utd and Chelski matches. If we see that attitude but still lose to those two then that's okay with me but we need to cut out silly mistakes in our defending. We got away with it yesterday as Southampton were awful. Hull won't be as bad and nor will the two after. In January we need two probably three quality defenders and a defensive midfielder together with a forward. Our squad (mostly Pardew buys) is poor out of the first 11 - we shall see? You are right in what you say, the Pardew buy ins have been mainly fringe players in there previous teams who could not get a game because they were considered not good enough for today's PL. In some cases they only came to us to get regular football or at the last minute in transfer window as no one else was interested at the prices being asked. Hopefully, AP has learned that he neither has the squad or the tactical ability to play attractive football like the better PL mangers and will instead play more defensive football to grind out results and then hopefully keep us safe for another year!
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Mapletree Croydon 04 Dec 16 10.54am | |
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We deserved the win. Maybe not quite by a three goal margin. The defence was vastly improved. Delaney made the difference and it was telling he didn't celebrate the second goal, he went for a discussion with Pardew. To me the only real disappointment is the way Benteke is so wasteful when he is on the ball. It was almost exclusively Benteke who gave away our possession. Needs to either play it simpler or gain more confidence. Also Townsend isn't really impressing as he should but was a real engine in the first half to protect the wing backs. I even thought Sakho looked like a prospect, for the second home game on the trot. Wilf and Jimmy Mac were absolutely massive.
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MKCPFC Spain/MK 04 Dec 16 10.55am | |
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Originally posted by palace chick
Yes, it is a building process and perhaps Pardew, Parish and the American backers thought we were further ahead than we are. The objective has to be mid table / staying up. For the last couple of months I was sure we were heading down to the championship with this new style of play. I think unlike us fans they were thinking Palace were a top six side? Yesterday was back to basics and I have a bit more hope in Pardew now. However one swallow doesn't make a summer, so we shall see how the next few matches go. We need a result at Hull and the old backs to the wall spirit for the Moan Utd and Chelski matches. If we see that attitude but still lose to those two then that's okay with me but we need to cut out silly mistakes in our defending. We got away with it yesterday as Southampton were awful. Hull won't be as bad and nor will the two after. In January we need two probably three quality defenders and a defensive midfielder together with a forward. Our squad (mostly Pardew buys) is poor out of the first 11 - we shall see? Agree with all this , especially the bold.
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SurreyEagle16 Next Door 04 Dec 16 11.08am | |
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For me, this thread sums up football fans everywhere. All season we have been bemoaning AP's tactical naivety... Yesterday there was clear evidence of it...yes, a lot less fluid going forward but everything we asked for in order to stop the rot, get a win and a clean sheet, looked far more balanced in terms of mentality. The reaction...complain that we played badly. You have to love footy fans :-)
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crystal_panic 04 Dec 16 11.14am | |
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Originally posted by Painter
I agree with these opinions. It seemed we got back to basics yesterday and ground out a win. It wasn't pretty but we were desperately in need to just to win a game, and if it was a bit ugly and we got a bit of luck then so be it. Let's not forget Southampton are a good team and they struggled to break us down. Delany was class. It seemed like we won every header at set plays. It felt like the Palace of old under Pulis which is the vibe we need right now to get some points on the board. Some of the posts are unbelievable, what do people want. We produced a back to basics solid performance against a good Saints side, most people expected us to lose. It seems people just don't want to give credit. If that performance was say, under a different manager, everyone would be praising him.
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 04 Dec 16 11.24am | |
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It seems churlish to criticise the team after such a good result but as there's a thread my opinion is: Without the ball we still don't look disciplined enough. I watched the back four and midfield and two things kept happening. Southampton were able to play through the middle with a fair bit of ease and the back four were like a snake, often Tomkins adrift from the other three. On the plus side, Townsend helped out a bit more though he still needs to improve. Zaha was once again immense
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bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 04 Dec 16 11.27am | |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
WTF is wrong with some of you people? I have been a staunch critic of AP lately but it's clear to see that the things that were costing us lately weren't happening. At defensive set pieces Benteke on the front post instead of trying to mark people, and winning any ball in the air that came near him. Defence organised, communicating and disciplined. We were on the spot to punish Southampton when they made mistakes. Most importantly, we didn't go to sleep or do anything stupid ourselves and we closed the game out authoritatively. OK, Southampton had a bad day at the office and 3 - 0 maybe flattered us but a worse performance than shipping five goals to Swansea through stupid errors? Seriously? Credit where it's due. Oh, and one other thing. Delaney was a colossus. Edited by chateauferret (04 Dec 2016 9.19am) Agree fully with the above. Quite clear swapping the defenders around and bringing in Damo worked wonders. Personaly think any manager worth his salt would have addressed this weeks ago but lets enjoy the victory
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Den1923 04 Dec 16 11.33am | |
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Originally posted by SurreyEagle16
For me, this thread sums up football fans everywhere. All season we have been bemoaning AP's tactical naivety... Yesterday there was clear evidence of it...yes, a lot less fluid going forward but everything we asked for in order to stop the rot, get a win and a clean sheet, looked far more balanced in terms of mentality. The reaction...complain that we played badly. You have to love footy fans :-) I think if you read it fully, most people are grateful for the win which was far more important than how we got it, now for Hull!
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sxp55 South Norwood 04 Dec 16 11.33am | |
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this is mental
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ParchmoreEagle Belair 04 Dec 16 11.44am | |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
WTF is wrong with some of you people? I have been a staunch critic of AP lately but it's clear to see that the things that were costing us lately weren't happening. At defensive set pieces Benteke on the front post instead of trying to mark people, and winning any ball in the air that came near him. Defence organised, communicating and disciplined. We were on the spot to punish Southampton when they made mistakes. Most importantly, we didn't go to sleep or do anything stupid ourselves and we closed the game out authoritatively. OK, Southampton had a bad day at the office and 3 - 0 maybe flattered us but a worse performance than shipping five goals to Swansea through stupid errors? Seriously? Credit where it's due. Oh, and one other thing. Delaney was a colossus. Edited by chateauferret (04 Dec 2016 9.19am) I'm of the same opinion. 0-0 would have turned me back to Pardew, but 3-0 is awesome. It didn't look pretty but everyone were playing their backsides off. Hennessey made some great stops, Delaney blocked all day, Ward did a decent job at LB, Dann did well, Tomkins: best I've seen him, Ledley was busy all day, Zaha has blossomed into a leader, the list goes on, they all played their hearts out, Southampton couldnt get into their shape at all. The players showed me their support for AP and that swings me to support him too (for now), because he was humble enough to listen to his players for a change (I read that somewhere). Pardew's head was out of his arse for a change and it paid off - he listened to his players - and they delivered. Now I wait and see if he sticks his head back up there again. He thinks he knows a lot but he doesn't. Hope he's seen the light.
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