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Michaelawt85 Bexley 26 Nov 16 10.51pm
Originally posted by chateauferret Neville is talking out of his arse. Whose job is it to drill the defence and make sure everyone knows what they're doing? Who imposes discipline and motivation? Who defines the lines of communication and responsibilities? In short, why do all ninety-two clubs in the league even have managers? And how come Pulis could keep clean sheets and grind out results with similar, if not the same, players whereas Pardew ships five goals against the team that's bldy bottom? Unfortunately it's not just about the money but also about the availability of the right person. If we had wanted Benitez for example there was a moment in the summer we could have approached him but now he's firmly ensconced. On the other hand at the start of the season Allardyce had a job... Perhaps (Phil) Neville is paving the way for his brother's excuses. Or trying to explain away the arse of things he made at Valencia. Or perhaps he's just s*-stirring. Probably just typical United to be lumped in with the ilk of scholes and giggs. Have to wax lyrical about everything. Empty vessels make the loudest noise and all that When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC
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Michaelawt85

Bexley 26 Nov 16 10.51pm

Originally posted by chateauferret

Neville is talking out of his arse. Whose job is it to drill the defence and make sure everyone knows what they're doing? Who imposes discipline and motivation? Who defines the lines of communication and responsibilities? In short, why do all ninety-two clubs in the league even *have* managers?

And how come Pulis could keep clean sheets and grind out results with similar, if not the same, players whereas Pardew ships five goals against the team that's bl**dy bottom?

Unfortunately it's not just about the money but also about the availability of the right person. If we had wanted Benitez for example there was a moment in the summer we could have approached him but now he's firmly ensconced. On the other hand at the start of the season Allardyce had a job...

Perhaps (Phil) Neville is paving the way for his brother's excuses. Or trying to explain away the arse of things he made at Valencia. Or perhaps he's just s***-stirring.

Probably just typical United to be lumped in with the ilk of scholes and giggs. Have to wax lyrical about everything. Empty vessels make the loudest noise and all that

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

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robdave2k 26 Nov 16 10.53pm
Originally posted by braunstoneagle if your not reading that with a anti pardew stance in your head it makes sense. I'm not Pardew's biggest fan but again he has come out today and blamed the players. The buck stops with the leader. I was in America watching the game and it was quite interesting to get the views of true neutrals. I guess the way I look at it is that we had the same problems under Peter Taylor - conceding stupid goals. But he was a far more "neutral" personality. Pardew bigs himself up, no different to Allardyce (or any other manager) in that respect, but he isn't delivering and seems completely oblivious to the fact he might actually be part of the problem. So he is either too naive or too big headed, or a combination of both. Either way it's a dangerous combination.
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26 Nov 16 10.53pm

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

if your not reading that with a anti pardew stance in your head it makes sense.

I'm not Pardew's biggest fan but again he has come out today and blamed the players. The buck stops with the leader.

I was in America watching the game and it was quite interesting to get the views of true neutrals.

I guess the way I look at it is that we had the same problems under Peter Taylor - conceding stupid goals. But he was a far more "neutral" personality. Pardew bigs himself up, no different to Allardyce (or any other manager) in that respect, but he isn't delivering and seems completely oblivious to the fact he might actually be part of the problem. So he is either too naive or too big headed, or a combination of both. Either way it's a dangerous combination.

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Aray South London 26 Nov 16 10.53pm
Originally posted by robdave2k As it's from the Alan Shearer school of punditry. That game finishes 3-1 it gets no mention, but the fact is it was an anomaly so the "experts" will comment on it. Half + our supporters are blaming Pardew much like with Bolaise they saw the bad as well as the sublimely good. You can take something in isolation - were there mistakes today - yes absolutely but it is indicative of a far greater problem. The mistakes are a symptom every bit as much as a cause. I don't think you can tar Neville with the same brush as Shearer. And as has been said by others - his analysis is fairly accurate. We really have not been outplayed in open play much this season it's set play defending that's letting us down. I'm not saying Pardew isn't responsible in part if not wholly. The only thing Neville missed is Delaney being dropped.
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South London 26 Nov 16 10.53pm

Originally posted by robdave2k

As it's from the Alan Shearer school of punditry. That game finishes 3-1 it gets no mention, but the fact is it was an anomaly so the "experts" will comment on it.

Half + our supporters are blaming Pardew much like with Bolaise they saw the bad as well as the sublimely good.

You can take something in isolation - were there mistakes today - yes absolutely but it is indicative of a far greater problem. The mistakes are a symptom every bit as much as a cause.

I don't think you can tar Neville with the same brush as Shearer. And as has been said by others - his analysis is fairly accurate. We really have not been outplayed in open play much this season it's set play defending that's letting us down. I'm not saying Pardew isn't responsible in part if not wholly. The only thing Neville missed is Delaney being dropped.

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Michaelawt85 Bexley 26 Nov 16 10.56pm
I think Delaney would have been key in getting some of the defence organised as he is quite an aggressive forthright player. Don't think we would have seen as many swansea goals had he featured today When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC
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Bexley 26 Nov 16 10.56pm

I think Delaney would have been key in getting some of the defence organised as he is quite an aggressive forthright player. Don't think we would have seen as many swansea goals had he featured today

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Dangermouse Hastings 26 Nov 16 11.19pm
Originally posted by robdave2k I'm not Pardew's biggest fan but again he has come out today and blamed the players. The buck stops with the leader. I was in America watching the game and it was quite interesting to get the views of true neutrals. I guess the way I look at it is that we had the same problems under Peter Taylor - conceding stupid goals. But he was a far more "neutral" personality. Pardew bigs himself up, no different to Allardyce (or any other manager) in that respect, but he isn't delivering and seems completely oblivious to the fact he might actually be part of the problem. So he is either too naive or too big headed, or a combination of both. Either way it's a dangerous combination. So he has to continually defend players who are constantly making the same errors? Some would see constant defending of the indefensible as a weakness. I ain't defending him, but I am angry about today and Burnley and my anger is mainly aimed at the players. As Neville said we ain't a 'dead' team as we give everyone a game, but any good work is undone by rank awful defending. The players can't keep hiding behind the manager, as someone famous once said, Cloughie, I believe, tactics don't win matches, players do. Ours have forgotten how to see out a game. Mentally weak and that can only be cured by a hardline coaching regime IMO. Think it's time for a change, but he's been let down badly by the players. That's Life And as funny as it may seem Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream. KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!
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Hastings 26 Nov 16 11.19pm

Originally posted by robdave2k

I'm not Pardew's biggest fan but again he has come out today and blamed the players. The buck stops with the leader.

I was in America watching the game and it was quite interesting to get the views of true neutrals.

So he has to continually defend players who are constantly making the same errors? Some would see constant defending of the indefensible as a weakness.
I ain't defending him, but I am angry about today and Burnley and my anger is mainly aimed at the players.
As Neville said we ain't a 'dead' team as we give everyone a game, but any good work is undone by rank awful defending. The players can't keep hiding behind the manager, as someone famous once said, Cloughie, I believe, tactics don't win matches, players do. Ours have forgotten how to see out a game. Mentally weak and that can only be cured by a hardline coaching regime IMO.
Think it's time for a change, but he's been let down badly by the players.

That's Life
And as funny as it may seem
Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream.
KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!

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Mad4palace 26 Nov 16 11.19pm
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 I think Delaney would have been key in getting some of the defence organised as he is quite an aggressive forthright player. Don't think we would have seen as many swansea goals had he featured today You've got to wonder if making Dann the captain over Delaney was the best choice. Delaney has been a good leader since Jedinak's game time became more and more limited.
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Mad4palace

26 Nov 16 11.19pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

I think Delaney would have been key in getting some of the defence organised as he is quite an aggressive forthright player. Don't think we would have seen as many swansea goals had he featured today

You've got to wonder if making Dann the captain over Delaney was the best choice. Delaney has been a good leader since Jedinak's game time became more and more limited.

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Mr. Mainstand west norwood 26 Nov 16 11.22pm
I'm at a loss to explain why a defence with Scott Dann in now looks so clueless and is shipping so many goals. Does is not work with him and Tomkins? I don't think today would have happened with a Dann / Delaney defence. Is it lack of instruction from Pardew? Anyone who went today have any thoughts? Danny Murphy's point about not putting our best defender on Fer seemed pretty fair.
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west norwood 26 Nov 16 11.22pm

I'm at a loss to explain why a defence with Scott Dann in now looks so clueless and is shipping so many goals. Does is not work with him and Tomkins? I don't think today would have happened with a Dann / Delaney defence. Is it lack of instruction from Pardew? Anyone who went today have any thoughts?

Danny Murphy's point about not putting our best defender on Fer seemed pretty fair.

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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 26 Nov 16 11.26pm
Originally posted by Mad4palace You've got to wonder if making Dann the captain over Delaney was the best choice. Delaney has been a good leader since Jedinak's game time became more and more limited. Delaney was the obvious choice imho to carry on in the captain's role but he's out of favour at the moment. Denial is not just a river in Egypt
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Originally posted by Mad4palace

You've got to wonder if making Dann the captain over Delaney was the best choice. Delaney has been a good leader since Jedinak's game time became more and more limited.

Delaney was the obvious choice imho to carry on in the captain's role but he's out of favour at the moment.

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Rachid Rachid Rachid 26 Nov 16 11.32pm
Danny Murphy asking why a Benteke marking their strongest / biggest threat in the box. That said really pathetic all round.
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Danny Murphy asking why a Benteke marking their strongest / biggest threat in the box.

That said really pathetic all round.

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spartakev2 Anerley 26 Nov 16 11.34pm
Originally posted by Mr. Mainstand I'm at a loss to explain why a defence with Scott Dann in now looks so clueless and is shipping so many goals. Does is not work with him and Tomkins? I don't think today would have happened with a Dann / Delaney defence. Is it lack of instruction from Pardew? Anyone who went today have any thoughts? Danny Murphy's point about not putting our best defender on Fer seemed pretty fair. Personally I think Tomkins played better than Dann today. Danns been awful since HD came back from injury and if anyone deserves to be dropped it's him.
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Anerley 26 Nov 16 11.34pm

Originally posted by Mr. Mainstand

Danny Murphy's point about not putting our best defender on Fer seemed pretty fair.

Personally I think Tomkins played better than Dann today. Danns been awful since HD came back from injury and if anyone deserves to be dropped it's him.

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meatpienz brisbane 26 Nov 16 11.48pm
Originally posted by Henry of Peckham Delaney was the obvious choice imho to carry on in the captain's role but he's out of favour at the moment. but Delaney is not a 90 min player anymore ,still he could come on for Dann with 30/40min to go,would not take Tomkins off.i would of taken Cabaye off not McArthur though Zaha has some green grass in front of him here. Finds Ambrose not a bad effort ooooooooooh! what a goal by Darren Ambrose absolutely stunning strike!!! And, Crystal Palace lead @ Old Trafford.
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brisbane 26 Nov 16 11.48pm

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

Delaney was the obvious choice imho to carry on in the captain's role but he's out of favour at the moment.

but Delaney is not a 90 min player anymore ,still he could come on for Dann with 30/40min to go,would not take Tomkins off.i would of taken Cabaye off not McArthur though

Zaha has some green grass in front of him here. Finds Ambrose
not a bad effort ooooooooooh! what a goal by Darren Ambrose absolutely stunning strike!!! And, Crystal Palace lead @ Old Trafford.

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CheeseRolls Cheshire 26 Nov 16 11.50pm
All Neville's analysis appeared to do was highlight the fact that Benteke had lost his man for 3 of the goals. Why are we relying on Benteke to defend as well as score our goals?
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CheeseRolls

Cheshire 26 Nov 16 11.50pm

All Neville's analysis appeared to do was highlight the fact that Benteke had lost his man for 3 of the goals. Why are we relying on Benteke to defend as well as score our goals?

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