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thegreatlardino crawley/selsey 15 Nov 16 1.49pm
put some laxative powder in his coffee! Sometimes I set out for Ludlow Sometimes I end up in Chepstow
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put some laxative powder in his coffee!

Sometimes I set out for Ludlow
Sometimes I end up in Chepstow

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jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Nov 16 1.53pm
Rather than violence an accident at work can work out better... "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Rather than violence an accident at work can work out better...

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 15 Nov 16 2.01pm
This calls for sabotage. What can you do to make it look like he is failing at his job? You need to stitch him up so that he A. gets sacked or B. you can blackmail him into being nice. Alternatively you can try to understand his insecurities and get to the bottom of why he acts like such a cnut. Maybe his mum is a crack whore and his dad slapped him about and he's now got deep-rooted anger/emotional issues and has to make himself feel big to mask his self-loathing.
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This calls for sabotage. What can you do to make it look like he is failing at his job? You need to stitch him up so that he A. gets sacked or B. you can blackmail him into being nice.

Alternatively you can try to understand his insecurities and get to the bottom of why he acts like such a cnut. Maybe his mum is a crack whore and his dad slapped him about and he's now got deep-rooted anger/emotional issues and has to make himself feel big to mask his self-loathing.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 15 Nov 16 2.03pm
Originally posted by Sportyteacher Just a question but surely a positive reference from the 'previous employer' is key to next job. Against the former background, what chances of a positive reference would there be? Generally, employers tend not to give 'bad' references - they'll either supply a positive one or decline to give one at all (which is as bad as a negative). This is, I'm led to understand, to avoid the possibility of a libel action. Of course, if one works in an industry where people tend to know each other, a word in someone's ear is often enough to stymie a job application without it being 'official'. Edited by Cucking Funt (15 Nov 2016 2.04pm) Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 15 Nov 16 2.03pm

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Just a question but surely a positive reference from the 'previous employer' is key to next job. Against the former background, what chances of a positive reference would there be?

Generally, employers tend not to give 'bad' references - they'll either supply a positive one or decline to give one at all (which is as bad as a negative). This is, I'm led to understand, to avoid the possibility of a libel action. Of course, if one works in an industry where people tend to know each other, a word in someone's ear is often enough to stymie a job application without it being 'official'.

Edited by Cucking Funt (15 Nov 2016 2.04pm)

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 15 Nov 16 2.28pm
Originally posted by cardiff eagle Document everything in a diary form and then make a complaint of bullying and harassment in the workplace. If they investigate it and it gets resolved, then perfect. If they don't then you should seek advice from a legal firm. Technically you could quit work and then make a claim against the employer for constructive dismissal citing bullying and harassment as a reason. The diary will effectively be your evidence. What kind of contract do you have? Are you a permanent member of staff? Obviously keep looking for alternative employment in the mean time. You would need a fair bit of evidence to prove a case. Two options go the legal way and document everything, no matter how minor it may seem. We mystery shop some of our suppliers and use these, they're very good. [Link] Alternatively Catch him on his own in the loo and have a "discussion" with him the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 15 Nov 16 2.28pm

Originally posted by cardiff eagle

Document everything in a diary form and then make a complaint of bullying and harassment in the workplace. If they investigate it and it gets resolved, then perfect. If they don't then you should seek advice from a legal firm. Technically you could quit work and then make a claim against the employer for constructive dismissal citing bullying and harassment as a reason. The diary will effectively be your evidence.

What kind of contract do you have? Are you a permanent member of staff?

Obviously keep looking for alternative employment in the mean time.

You would need a fair bit of evidence to prove a case.

Two options

go the legal way and document everything, no matter how minor it may seem. We mystery shop some of our suppliers and use these, they're very good. [Link]

Alternatively Catch him on his own in the loo and have a "discussion" with him

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Pawson Palace Croydon 15 Nov 16 2.44pm
Legit just look for a new job. I wouldn't want to work somewhere that condoned that kind of behaviour let alone rewarded it. Pride of South London Upper Holmesdale Block P
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Croydon 15 Nov 16 2.44pm

Legit just look for a new job.

I wouldn't want to work somewhere that condoned that kind of behaviour let alone rewarded it.

Pride of South London
Upper Holmesdale Block P

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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 15 Nov 16 2.52pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch You would need a fair bit of evidence to prove a case. Two options go the legal way and document everything, no matter how minor it may seem. We mystery shop some of our suppliers and use these, they're very good. [Link] Alternatively Catch him on his own in the loo and have a "discussion" with him or you could start a blog called something like 'bully at work', once you've got a bit of a following, and your posts are being serialised in national media, there will be lots of pressure and speculation about who the bully is (think The Secret Footballer), and what you can do is leak his identity to the media, and then his life will be over - hate mail, pitchforks, trolling and a slow decline into reclusiveness. And you can chuckle on into work, reading the terms of your book deal.
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South Cronx 15 Nov 16 2.52pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

You would need a fair bit of evidence to prove a case.

Two options

go the legal way and document everything, no matter how minor it may seem. We mystery shop some of our suppliers and use these, they're very good. [Link]

Alternatively Catch him on his own in the loo and have a "discussion" with him

or you could start a blog called something like 'bully at work', once you've got a bit of a following, and your posts are being serialised in national media, there will be lots of pressure and speculation about who the bully is (think The Secret Footballer), and what you can do is leak his identity to the media, and then his life will be over - hate mail, pitchforks, trolling and a slow decline into reclusiveness. And you can chuckle on into work, reading the terms of your book deal.

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stayloa Beckenham 15 Nov 16 3.04pm
Originally posted by cardiff eagle Document everything in a diary form and then make a complaint of bullying and harassment in the workplace. If they investigate it and it gets resolved, then perfect. If they don't then you should seek advice from a legal firm. Technically you could quit work and then make a claim against the employer for constructive dismissal citing bullying and harassment as a reason. The diary will effectively be your evidence. What kind of contract do you have? Are you a permanent member of staff? Obviously keep looking for alternative employment in the mean time. This is the best advice in the thread so far. Don't start trying to film people at work covertly or you could end up as breaking the law yourself or the very least be dismissed for breaking various company policies. I'm a [for my sins] seasoned HR professional and have given advice to people on here before. A diary is perfectly admissable as evidence at a tribunal or internally. Being smug and annoying and winding people up is unlikely enough for them to want to do anything, but detailed, timed, dated logs including what he does to you and colleagues is the key to challenging the behaviour. Unless you are disciplined formally and written up then your employer can't and shouldn't disclose stuff like that in a reference as they would be legally liable so as others have said, most will tend to provide a factual confirmation of employment rather than full reference. Would be happy to have a chat if I can be of any help.
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Beckenham 15 Nov 16 3.04pm

Originally posted by cardiff eagle

What kind of contract do you have? Are you a permanent member of staff?

Obviously keep looking for alternative employment in the mean time.

This is the best advice in the thread so far.

Don't start trying to film people at work covertly or you could end up as breaking the law yourself or the very least be dismissed for breaking various company policies.

I'm a [for my sins] seasoned HR professional and have given advice to people on here before.

A diary is perfectly admissable as evidence at a tribunal or internally.

Being smug and annoying and winding people up is unlikely enough for them to want to do anything, but detailed, timed, dated logs including what he does to you and colleagues is the key to challenging the behaviour.

Unless you are disciplined formally and written up then your employer can't and shouldn't disclose stuff like that in a reference as they would be legally liable so as others have said, most will tend to provide a factual confirmation of employment rather than full reference.

Would be happy to have a chat if I can be of any help.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 15 Nov 16 3.52pm
Originally posted by stayloa This is the best advice in the thread so far. Don't start trying to film people at work covertly or you could end up as breaking the law yourself or the very least be dismissed for breaking various company policies. I'm a [for my sins] seasoned HR professional and have given advice to people on here before. A diary is perfectly admissable as evidence at a tribunal or internally. Being smug and annoying and winding people up is unlikely enough for them to want to do anything, but detailed, timed, dated logs including what he does to you and colleagues is the key to challenging the behaviour. Unless you are disciplined formally and written up then your employer can't and shouldn't disclose stuff like that in a reference as they would be legally liable so as others have said, most will tend to provide a factual confirmation of employment rather than full reference. Would be happy to have a chat if I can be of any help. Filming is not in itself against the law, there are a lot of misconceptions regarding filming. You do of course have to be a bit careful A diary is all well and good but to be successful you will need some sort of corroborating evidence, whether physical evidence or a colleague's statement, as the latter has already been dismissed as a non starter then physical evidence is needed. Also whilst thinking about it does the company have a grievance policy, if so it will be worth looking at that. Lastly, make sure that you are whiter than white, if you use the work pc to come on here or regularly send personal emails, late for work etc, these are the sort of things that could be used to discredit you. the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 15 Nov 16 3.52pm

Originally posted by stayloa

This is the best advice in the thread so far.

Don't start trying to film people at work covertly or you could end up as breaking the law yourself or the very least be dismissed for breaking various company policies.

I'm a [for my sins] seasoned HR professional and have given advice to people on here before.

A diary is perfectly admissable as evidence at a tribunal or internally.

Would be happy to have a chat if I can be of any help.

Filming is not in itself against the law, there are a lot of misconceptions regarding filming. You do of course have to be a bit careful

A diary is all well and good but to be successful you will need some sort of corroborating evidence, whether physical evidence or a colleague's statement, as the latter has already been dismissed as a non starter then physical evidence is needed.

Also whilst thinking about it does the company have a grievance policy, if so it will be worth looking at that.

Lastly, make sure that you are whiter than white, if you use the work pc to come on here or regularly send personal emails, late for work etc, these are the sort of things that could be used to discredit you.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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chris123 hove actually 15 Nov 16 4.19pm
Print off a few copies of this and distribute to colleagues. [Link]
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Print off a few copies of this and distribute to colleagues.

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 15 Nov 16 5.39pm
Dont know if you are in a union or not but , that may be an avenue to explore. I hate bullies. Scum of the earth and normally back down when confronted. Anyhow, your employer has a duty of care to protect all workers from workplace bullying. It is not your fault.
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Deal or Croydon 15 Nov 16 5.39pm

Dont know if you are in a union or not but , that may be an avenue to explore. I hate bullies. Scum of the earth and normally back down when confronted. Anyhow, your employer has a duty of care to protect all workers from workplace bullying. It is not your fault.

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OhthisbloodyPC 15 Nov 16 8.39pm
The mistake I made at work, when I was being forced out of a job, was not documenting everything. I should have written everything down - times, dates, places, other people's testimony etc - bit I didn't But I did keep a diary. And that really put the wind up my employers, because they thought I had a lot more information than I did. I would advise you to: Write everything down. When you get time. e.g. If this bloke comes and says something to you, write it down. Even if he makes out it's banter, if you can prove that this took place every day, it shows that there was something more going on I would love to help you, as I've been in this position myself.
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15 Nov 16 8.39pm

The mistake I made at work, when I was being forced out of a job, was not documenting everything.

I should have written everything down - times, dates, places, other people's testimony etc - bit I didn't

But I did keep a diary. And that really put the wind up my employers, because they thought I had a lot more information than I did.

I would advise you to:

Write everything down. When you get time.
e.g. If this bloke comes and says something to you, write it down. Even if he makes out it's banter, if you can prove that this took place every day, it shows that there was something more going on

I would love to help you, as I've been in this position myself.

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