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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Sep 16 12.05pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 I think that was the point the OP was making to be honest Yes I know the point he was making. All I was trying to do was to provide some supplementary facts regarding the tenureship of managers.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Sep 16 12.05pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

I think that was the point the OP was making to be honest

Yes I know the point he was making.
All I was trying to do was to provide some supplementary facts regarding the tenureship of managers.

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Selhurstboys Basel 23 Sep 16 12.23pm
No league win since 2003/4 for Wenger. Ok they've won 2 FA cups in recent years but imo Arsenal would have done better with a change. It's tough but club owners can't be sentimental with who and when they appoint a manager.
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Selhurstboys

Basel 23 Sep 16 12.23pm

No league win since 2003/4 for Wenger. Ok they've won 2 FA cups in recent years but imo Arsenal would have done better with a change. It's tough but club owners can't be sentimental with who and when they appoint a manager.

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Littlebogreek 23 Sep 16 12.46pm
Originally posted by Selhurstboys No league win since 2003/4 for Wenger. Ok they've won 2 FA cups in recent years but imo Arsenal would have done better with a change. It's tough but club owners can't be sentimental with who and when they appoint a manager. Wenger lasts because he runs it like a business, makes them a profit and never complains to the press that he needs more money, in fact does the opposite and claims there is money but he doesn't want to use it. He's pretty unique in that way.
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Littlebogreek

23 Sep 16 12.46pm

Originally posted by Selhurstboys

Wenger lasts because he runs it like a business, makes them a profit and never complains to the press that he needs more money, in fact does the opposite and claims there is money but he doesn't want to use it. He's pretty unique in that way.

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wonder Madrid 23 Sep 16 1.19pm
the benzema deal keeps falling through because wengers been spending so much on wilsheres ps4 games
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wonder

Madrid 23 Sep 16 1.19pm

the benzema deal keeps falling through because wengers been spending so much on wilsheres ps4 games

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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 23 Sep 16 1.55pm
For us, we historically have to sack blatantly s*** managers while those with promise got poached. Circumstances mean that AP could be a bit of an exception if he turns out to be someone who has us finishing 9th-15th for several years. Good enough for us, good enough for him. If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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For us, we historically have to sack blatantly s*** managers while those with promise got poached. Circumstances mean that AP could be a bit of an exception if he turns out to be someone who has us finishing 9th-15th for several years. Good enough for us, good enough for him.

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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Podyonkers Atlanta, Georgia 24 Sep 16 4.00am
Originally posted by citizensmudge If you haven't designed this to kick off another anti vs pro Pardew borefest then you must be new here or just felt like having some "Thank F@ck Its Friday" amusement for the day.I'm off to bed but I look forward to seeing where this has ended up later depending on whether someone is stupid enough to light the blue touch paper.Have a nice day everyone No, mate. Wow. If anything, I was bringing it up to try and calm the conversation not inflame it. I meant in light of all the arguing about the manager, maybe we should look at it differently and think about how much time we should give any manager. Sorry if it didn't come off that way. Stealing their women and eating their food since 1987.
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Podyonkers

Atlanta, Georgia 24 Sep 16 4.00am

Originally posted by citizensmudge

If you haven't designed this to kick off another anti vs pro Pardew borefest then you must be new here or just felt like having some "Thank F@ck Its Friday" amusement for the day.I'm off to bed but I look forward to seeing where this has ended up later depending on whether someone is stupid enough to light the blue touch paper.Have a nice day everyone

No, mate. Wow. If anything, I was bringing it up to try and calm the conversation not inflame it. I meant in light of all the arguing about the manager, maybe we should look at it differently and think about how much time we should give any manager. Sorry if it didn't come off that way.

Stealing their women and eating their food since 1987.

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citizensmudge midlands 24 Sep 16 4.21am
Originally posted by Podyonkers No, mate. Wow. If anything, I was bringing it up to try and calm the conversation not inflame it. I meant in light of all the arguing about the manager, maybe we should look at it differently and think about how much time we should give any manager. Sorry if it didn't come off that way. I wasn't having a go at you I was just expecting it to descend into another pro/anti Pardew thread like so many that have gone before.You really don't have anything to apologise for if anything it should be me as I was wide of the mark on this occasion
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citizensmudge

midlands 24 Sep 16 4.21am

Originally posted by Podyonkers

I wasn't having a go at you I was just expecting it to descend into another pro/anti Pardew thread like so many that have gone before.You really don't have anything to apologise for if anything it should be me as I was wide of the mark on this occasion

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ParchmoreEagle Belair 24 Sep 16 6.03am
You hire people on the basis of competence - nothing else. Wenger, Ferguson and their ilk were/are competent. Should we have kept Holloway? or Warnock? No - because they were not competent. With Pardew it's the same deal - he needs to be retained or let go based on his level of competence. Is that too much to ask? Should we all be loyal bitches and pay hubby nearly 1 million a year to shove it up our collective arses? (Hoping Tomkins or someone is competent enough to do Dann's job on Saturday...remember, we need to be 'consistent', which is one thing Pardew is...) [Link]
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Belair 24 Sep 16 6.03am

You hire people on the basis of competence - nothing else. Wenger, Ferguson and their ilk were/are competent. Should we have kept Holloway? or Warnock? No - because they were not competent. With Pardew it's the same deal - he needs to be retained or let go based on his level of competence. Is that too much to ask? Should we all be loyal bitches and pay hubby nearly 1 million a year to shove it up our collective arses? (Hoping Tomkins or someone is competent enough to do Dann's job on Saturday...remember, we need to be 'consistent', which is one thing Pardew is...)

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Dangermouse Hastings 24 Sep 16 2.42pm
How long's a piece of string? Too many changes are actually affecting teams more in modern football than in the old days IMO. So much money means every manager that comes in brings in a fresh crop of players and the team is often stuck with unwanted players on big wages. Players that the new guy hasn't even given a chance and all because the clubs have the money to keep bringing in second rate foreign 'talent'. At Sunderland Poyet bought Bridcutt and Buckley, both good players who I believed were good enough for the prem league, but Poyet lost his job and 3/4 managers later both were never given a go and are God knows where now? Same at Villa and Newcastle. Really think a return to a midweek reserve league is needed now to give all these types of players relevant game time, because going into the team cold is doing no one any favours and who knows a manager might find he already has the type of players he needs at the club. That's Life And as funny as it may seem Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream. KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!
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Dangermouse

Hastings 24 Sep 16 2.42pm

How long's a piece of string?
Too many changes are actually affecting teams more in modern football than in the old days IMO. So much money means every manager that comes in brings in a fresh crop of players and the team is often stuck with unwanted players on big wages. Players that the new guy hasn't even given a chance and all because the clubs have the money to keep bringing in second rate foreign 'talent'.
At Sunderland Poyet bought Bridcutt and Buckley, both good players who I believed were good enough for the prem league, but Poyet lost his job and 3/4 managers later both were never given a go and are God knows where now?
Same at Villa and Newcastle.
Really think a return to a midweek reserve league is needed now to give all these types of players relevant game time, because going into the team cold is doing no one any favours and who knows a manager might find he already has the type of players he needs at the club.

That's Life
And as funny as it may seem
Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream.
KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!

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Podyonkers Atlanta, Georgia 25 Sep 16 2.02am
Originally posted by citizensmudge I wasn't having a go at you I was just expecting it to descend into another pro/anti Pardew thread like so many that have gone before.You really don't have anything to apologise for if anything it should be me as I was wide of the mark on this occasion Yeah, no worries. I'm with you in that I don't need another tired conversation about the merits of Pardew. I don't post very often but been on here for years, mostly just reading and listening. I add in from time to time but I usually just catch up with what people are talking about. In this case, I thought there was a conversation to be had about how we approach managership. It's not about Pardew, really. It's about where the owners seem to be taking us, and what we should expect from the manager no matter who they are. So anyway. Pardew out. Or in. Stealing their women and eating their food since 1987.
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Podyonkers

Atlanta, Georgia 25 Sep 16 2.02am

Originally posted by citizensmudge

Yeah, no worries. I'm with you in that I don't need another tired conversation about the merits of Pardew. I don't post very often but been on here for years, mostly just reading and listening. I add in from time to time but I usually just catch up with what people are talking about.

In this case, I thought there was a conversation to be had about how we approach managership. It's not about Pardew, really. It's about where the owners seem to be taking us, and what we should expect from the manager no matter who they are.

So anyway. Pardew out. Or in.

Stealing their women and eating their food since 1987.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Sep 16 8.51am
Originally posted by Dangermouse How long's a piece of string? Too many changes are actually affecting teams more in modern football than in the old days IMO. So much money means every manager that comes in brings in a fresh crop of players and the team is often stuck with unwanted players on big wages. Players that the new guy hasn't even given a chance and all because the clubs have the money to keep bringing in second rate foreign 'talent'. At Sunderland Poyet bought Bridcutt and Buckley, both good players who I believed were good enough for the prem league, but Poyet lost his job and 3/4 managers later both were never given a go and are God knows where now? Same at Villa and Newcastle. Really think a return to a midweek reserve league is needed now to give all these types of players relevant game time, because going into the team cold is doing no one any favours and who knows a manager might find he already has the type of players he needs at the club. Poyet signed both Bridcutt and Buckley for Brighton and then signed them for Sunderland for a combined fee of £5.5 Mill. Bridcutt is now at Leeds, signed by Garry Monk, whilst Buckley is on 'Loan' to Sheff Wed but is still on the books of Sunderland. Edited by Willo (25 Sep 2016 8.51am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Sep 16 8.51am

Originally posted by Dangermouse

Poyet signed both Bridcutt and Buckley for Brighton and then signed them for Sunderland for a combined fee of £5.5 Mill.
Bridcutt is now at Leeds, signed by Garry Monk, whilst Buckley is on 'Loan' to Sheff Wed but is still on the books of Sunderland.

Edited by Willo (25 Sep 2016 8.51am)

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