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jeeagles  12 Sep 16 12.56pm |
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Originally posted by bubble wrap
Bottled someone in a club in Beckenham, Would leave things alone and was his own thought. Could finish his career for a moment of madness and to much booze inside him. The moral of the story here is don't smash glasses into peoples heads. If it's true I hope we sack him. 21 year olds should know right from wrong and know how to behave. I hate all these pathetic excuses like "he's young" or "he was drunk". If it was over here he'd be looking at 6 months minimum and a lifetime banning order from all bars. I'm probably going to get crucified for this.
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 Stuk  Top half 12 Sep 16 1.31pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
The moral of the story here is don't smash glasses into peoples heads. If it's true I hope we sack him. 21 year olds should know right from wrong and know how to behave. I hate all these pathetic excuses like "he's young" or "he was drunk". If it was over here he'd be looking at 6 months minimum and a lifetime banning order from all bars. I'm probably going to get crucified for this. I agree. Unless he was attacked, and with an object, he should be sacked for bottling someone.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Sep 16 1.43pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
The moral of the story here is don't smash glasses into peoples heads. If it's true I hope we sack him. 21 year olds should know right from wrong and know how to behave. I hate all these pathetic excuses like "he's young" or "he was drunk". If it was over here he'd be looking at 6 months minimum and a lifetime banning order from all bars. I'm probably going to get crucified for this. Probably would have gotten longer here had he not pleaded guilty. I don't think it'll do his career much good, but I don't think additionally punishing someone is always advisable if they've put their hands up, plead guilty etc. Everyone deserves a second chance, and sometimes its difficult to know what you'd do in a situation until your in it. Drunk or not.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Sep 16 1.44pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
I agree. Unless he was attacked, and with an object, he should be sacked for bottling someone. I'm not sure I'd qualify, with an object. If your acting in self defence and instinctively, someone you'll lash out with the closest thing at hand. But then I'm no fighter, and when its all kicked off, my instinct generally has been to grab whatever is near as a weapon.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 12 Sep 16 1.45pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
I agree. Unless he was attacked, and with an object, he should be sacked for bottling someone. I disagree, he should be sanctioned and if he can demonstrate true remorse given another chance. Look at Troy Deeney, a great example of someone who has sorted himself out and a great ambassador for his club.
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| Stuk Top half 12 Sep 16 1.52pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I'm not sure I'd qualify, with an object. If your acting in self defence and instinctively, someone you'll lash out with the closest thing at hand. But then I'm no fighter, and when its all kicked off, my instinct generally has been to grab whatever is near as a weapon. Bottling someone isn't self defence, unless they've got an object to attack or threaten you with. You'd be better off without it or using something that can actually defend you, like a chair. Even a jacket would be better for defending yourself.
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| Stuk Top half 12 Sep 16 2.03pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
I disagree, he should be sanctioned and if he can demonstrate true remorse given another chance. Look at Troy Deeney, a great example of someone who has sorted himself out and a great ambassador for his club. That must be of great comfort to the bloke he repeatedly kicked in the head whilst on the ground and already injured. I bet he thinks that every time he sees him on TV, what an ambassador.
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 12 Sep 16 2.11pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
That must be of great comfort to the bloke he repeatedly kicked in the head whilst on the ground and already injured. I bet he thinks that every time he sees him on TV, what an ambassador. So that's it, you write someone off because they f***ed up? 9.2 Million people as of 2012 have a criminal record. That's a lot of people you don't want to give an opportunity to make up for what they've done in the past. We aren't talking about a serial offender here.
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| Stuk Top half 12 Sep 16 2.22pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
So that's it, you write someone off because they f***ed up? 9.2 Million people as of 2012 have a criminal record. That's a lot of people you don't want to give an opportunity to make up for what they've done in the past. We aren't talking about a serial offender here. Or in this case... You don't write someone off because you've invested half a million quid and a couple of years of wages/training? Would most people keep their jobs after getting sent down for 10 months for a violent assault? I'm all for them being able to apply again and prove themselves, but not to come out and go straight back to their, very comfortable, life and reserved job. Having a criminal record and violently attacking someone aren't one and the same.
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| bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 12 Sep 16 2.25pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I'm not sure I'd qualify, with an object. If your acting in self defence and instinctively, someone you'll lash out with the closest thing at hand. But then I'm no fighter, and when its all kicked off, my instinct generally has been to grab whatever is near as a weapon. Wasnt self defence, lost his temper and despite people around him trying to calm the siruation he wouldnt let it go and carried on, caused a quite a bit of trouble that night. Deserved what he got and hope he learns his lesson.
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| silvertop Portishead 12 Sep 16 2.29pm |
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Not self defence. Would not have received a 14 week custodial sentence. Has just overturned the sentence on appeal. Now suspended for 18 months. He is a very lucky boy and needs to appreciate that. The club say he is on a last chance. His appearance and associated conduct is all Vinnie Jones. He needs to base himself on a better role model. If he thinks a career in Hollywood beckons he is seriously misguided. Time to grow up Ryan.
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 12 Sep 16 2.29pm |
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Successful appeal - changed to suspended sentence
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