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Stuk Top half 10 Feb 16 2.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
Don't ask me for sources but I understood that he'd never denied having sex with the girl, he just didn't know she was underage. In which case you wouldn't plead guilty to grooming. You'd claim that you'd been misled.
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We are goin up! Coulsdon 10 Feb 16 3.19pm | |
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Originally posted by leejaneagles
He's only pleaded guilty to 2 out of 4 charges if I'm correct. For example, if it was 1. Sleeping with a girl he met in a night club who he thought was over 18 and 2. Texting her the next day not knowing were the ones he plead "guilty" to but the ones about knowingly pursuing an underage girl were the ones he plead not-guilty to, you'd think he won't face any time. It must be a lot more complex than the story suggests but it still essentially is he was a drunk millionaire in a nightclub and slept with someone in there. You'd have the right to believe the bouncers had checked ID's and she was probably carrying a fake one would you not? Surely this isn't open and shut he should be banged up yet. Otherwise it'd of happened.
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LABoxers Wallington 10 Feb 16 4.02pm | |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
Yeah this is what I thought also. I don't believe he has pleaded guilty to knowingly having sex with an underage girl.
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Part Time James 10 Feb 16 4.04pm | |
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I don't go to nightclubs. I just hit on women that look over 40 so there's no doubt.
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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 10 Feb 16 4.26pm | |
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Originally posted by leejaneagles
He's only pleaded guilty to 2 out of 4 charges if I'm correct. For example, if it was 1. Sleeping with a girl he met in a night club who he thought was over 18 and 2. Texting her the next day not knowing were the ones he plead "guilty" to but the ones about knowingly pursuing an underage girl were the ones he plead not-guilty to, you'd think he won't face any time. It must be a lot more complex than the story suggests but it still essentially is he was a drunk millionaire in a nightclub and slept with someone in there. You'd have the right to believe the bouncers had checked ID's and she was probably carrying a fake one would you not? Surely this isn't open and shut he should be banged up yet. Otherwise it'd of happened. We can't speculate too much as there is still a court case in progress for the two charges he has pleaded not guilty to. However, he has pleaded guilty to "kissing a 15-year-old schoolgirl after grooming her over the internet." and "intentionally touching the complainant in a sexual way knowing that she was under 16" which is completely different from your example. [Link]
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the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 10 Feb 16 4.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
I don't go to nightclubs. I just hit on women that look over 40 so there's no doubt. Are you Rooney in disguise?
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ambrose7 Croydon 10 Feb 16 5.05pm | |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
Doesn't matter, if the defendant reasonably believes that the victim was over the age of 16, that is a valid defence. It is only if the child is under 13 that you cannot use a 'I thought they were older' defence. That he has pleaded guilty to a sexual activity charge means that defence does not come into play. It may be that he did not know the age for the other two charges, or denies them having taken place. Hard to say anymore without knowing the charges, but sexual activity can simply be 'intentional touching which is sexual'. It could include something like touching her arse which, although still criminal, would be nothing like the severity of some other charges.
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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 10 Feb 16 5.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
In which case you wouldn't plead guilty to grooming. You'd claim that you'd been misled. He probably is claiming he was mislead. I don't know the ins and outs of grooming laws you'll be reassured to know, but as leejaneagles said texting some bird you met in a club might constitute grooming if she turned out to be underage. In which case better to admit it, but with the claim you were mislead and hope the judge is understanding. I don't know the letter of the law and can't really be arsed to find out either but this seems a logical approach to me. EDIT: Johnson is accused of grooming the teenager between 30 December 2014 and 26 February 2015 and having met with her to carry out sexual activity knowing that she was under 16, the age of consent. Standing in the dock, Johnson answered “guilty”. In a second count, Johnson is charged with intentionally touching the complainant in a sexual way knowing that she was under 16. He briefly consulted his legal team before answering “guilty, yeah”. Dirty paedo Edited by Frickin Saweet (10 Feb 2016 5.25pm)
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Straightbackup Crystal Palace 10 Feb 16 5.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
He probably is claiming he was mislead. I don't know the ins and outs of grooming laws you'll be reassured to know, but as leejaneagles said texting some bird you met in a club might constitute grooming if she turned out to be underage. In which case better to admit it, but with the claim you were mislead and hope the judge is understanding. I don't know the letter of the law and can't really be arsed to find out either but this seems a logical approach to me. EDIT: Johnson is accused of grooming the teenager between 30 December 2014 and 26 February 2015 and having met with her to carry out sexual activity knowing that she was under 16, the age of consent. Standing in the dock, Johnson answered “guilty”. In a second count, Johnson is charged with intentionally touching the complainant in a sexual way knowing that she was under 16. He briefly consulted his legal team before answering “guilty, yeah”. Dirty paedo Edited by Frickin Saweet (10 Feb 2016 5.25pm) Yep, those charges absolutely confirm that he was aware that she was below the age of consent so this isn't a case of 'I didn't know or reasonably
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We are goin up! Coulsdon 10 Feb 16 6.21pm | |
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Fair enough. Lock him up. What an idiot.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Feb 16 7.19pm | |
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Nonce - The guilty change their plea at the last minute to reduce sentence of time, and possibly to get a suspended sentence.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Feb 16 7.27pm | |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
Its probably a good idea to ask people their age, if they look a bit on the young side, if your say, a 27 year old man. If they lied or deceived you, then you probably haven't committed a crime. Reasonable is a key element in law. All a bit moot, considering he admitted knowing she was under age and to an offence of grooming the girl.
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