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Hoof Hearted 04 Feb 16 3.09pm

Originally posted by DanH

Should hopefully be in a position to buy in the next couple of years. It's not just as simple as additional demand Hoof (you little scamp with your anti-immigration narrative ) unfortunately.

For me, one of the biggest barriers to stopping me having bought already is the size of the deposits required after the recession. Even with a healthy joint income between me and the missus (yes, she exists) you're looking at a crazy amount of money to have in the bank before you have enough for the deposit.

The cost of renting and living in London swallows so much of your take home pay each month that unless you become a hermit you slowly limp along to your savings goal.

The easy answer may be to move out of London but the stubborn part of me doesn't want to be forced out of my own city.

Edited by DanH (04 Feb 2016 1.33pm)

Busted.......

 

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DanH Flag SW2 04 Feb 16 3.23pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Apollofuzz

If you are a first time buyer it's worth looking into this (other products are available)

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I was fairly lucky with buying my first house, I worked abroad for 5 years tax free (So saved for a deposit) and when I came back in 1990's house prices were rock bottom. No planning involved just very lucky. My mistake was not to keep moving and upsizing. Ohh well.

Yep, already been piling my £200 a month into one of those.

 

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Hoof Hearted 04 Feb 16 3.29pm

Originally posted by DanH

Yep, already been piling my £200 a month into one of those.


Its good, safe etc but I could make more money than that in a stocks and shares ISA Dan.

 

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bubble wrap Flag Carparks in South East London 04 Feb 16 4.15pm

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

First flat in early 90's bought off plan, developer paid 5% deposit and included all white goods.

Doubled in value and sold in 1999 when first house bought. Up sized to a much bigger place 4 years later. Did that up and flipped it fairly quickly.Now in very nice place, still with a small mortgage but in equity terms up there with the best.

But value now is irrelevant it's for the kids as I will be carried out of this place in a box.

I thought everyone in Orpington lived in Caravans? You must be one of the posh ones.

 

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JL85 Flag London,SE9 04 Feb 16 4.22pm Send a Private Message to JL85 Add JL85 as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I didn't say anything about "cashing in" or being envious of foreign people making a profit.

I am thinking of the current generation and their children not having the opportunity to even get on the ladder.

Yes, both you and I have benefited from increasing house prices but it doesn't make it right does it?

There always used to be a market correction for house prices (like other commodities) but this will never happen whilst demand outstrips supply and looks like it will continue to do so.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (04 Feb 2016 12.49pm)

Doesn't make it wrong, either. Supply and demand, Hoof, it's what the Western world is built on. Now, suddenly when the Tory promise of wealth starting to trickle down actually comes to fruition, there's a f***ing crisis to be had!

f*** that! Build more houses and better transport links.

 

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jeeagles Flag 04 Feb 16 5.35pm

There are two answers to the housing crisis:

1) Build more houses and infrastructure to get people from those houses to their jobs.

2) Put deterrents of buy to lets to stop people who can borrow massive amounts against portfolio's or those who are already rich driving up the prices for the rest of us.

I think the immigrant issue is a red herring. Yes it adds to demand, but unemployment is going down whilst immigration is going up. Therefore, it appears to be a by product of a strong economy, which brings be full circle to by first point. If you want your economy to succeed you need infrastructure capable of supporting growth.

As a side point. If you are an individual looking to buy a property wait until after April as house prices are going mental as people rush to get second homes before increased stamp duty is introduced on buy-to-let.

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 04 Feb 16 5.50pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

There are two answers to the housing crisis:

1) Build more houses and infrastructure to get people from those houses to their jobs.

2) Put deterrents of buy to lets to stop people who can borrow massive amounts against portfolio's or those who are already rich driving up the prices for the rest of us.

I think the immigrant issue is a red herring. Yes it adds to demand, but unemployment is going down whilst immigration is going up. Therefore, it appears to be a by product of a strong economy, which brings be full circle to by first point. If you want your economy to succeed you need infrastructure capable of supporting growth.

As a side point. If you are an individual looking to buy a property wait until after April as house prices are going mental as people rush to get second homes before increased stamp duty is introduced on buy-to-let.

You can't just build ad infinitum.

If immigration is a red herring for a housing shortage why is there a shortage of school places too? As far as I'm aware no one is buying to let schools.

 


Optimistic as ever

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DanH Flag SW2 04 Feb 16 6.03pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted


Its good, safe etc but I could make more money than that in a stocks and shares ISA Dan.


£50 a month off a £200 investment?

 

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orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 04 Feb 16 6.15pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by bubble wrap

I thought everyone in Orpington lived in Caravans? You must be one of the posh ones.

Try telling that to the players and ex players who live in my neck of the woods. Orpington is a haven of tranquility compared to Thornton Heath (where I spent my formative years.)

 

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-TUX- Flag Alphabettispaghetti 04 Feb 16 6.45pm Send a Private Message to -TUX- Add -TUX- as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

How many of you young'uns (or middle aged?) still have aspirations to own your own house or have managed to do it recently?

I'm an old fart and bought my first house in 1977 when I was 23.

Things were very much different then.

It wasn't a struggle, plenty of houses on the market, I had a good job working for L&G who loaned me and the mrs the money at good rates, MIRAS (tax relief on interest payments) and I had saved a decent deposit (20% of house value).

These days it seems a struggle for someone in their 30's to afford to buy a house which cannot be good - I was always taught that paying rent was dead money and took my chance to buy as soon as I could.

What has changed the most and created this situation comparing 1977 to 2016.....?

The population of the UK has increased from approx 56M in 1977 to over 65M now and it will continue to grow unless we do something drastic now to halt this phenomenon.

Our membership of the EU means that currently our population is growing by over 300,000 people per year as ever more economic migrants come to work and live here. Obviously that ignores any illegal immigrants that have sneaked in unnoticed or visitors whose Visas have expired and are still here.

We are currently building houses at the rate of 120,000 per year (official data from Government in 2014 -latest available) and it is reckoned we need to build 250,000 to cope with the extra demand.

So every year we are building less houses than we need to keep up with demand and this has the effect of increasing house prices - ie simple economics of demand v supply.

Obviously there are other factors to consider, but for me the main problem is the rate our population is increasing will only make housing more expensive and therefore out of reach for most working adults from hereon in, unless we take steps to halt it.

If I was young and renting I would OUT for the EU referendum on that basis alone. Forget about all the other factors... if you want to own your own house you will be shooting yourself in the foot voting to stay in the EU.

In no particular order:

Local authorities/Govt (since Thatcher) unwilling to build despite there being plenty of land available.
Becoming pregnant = new home.
Growing population.
The financial services.
Ridiculous restrictions should you ever get planning permission.
Capitalism in general.
NIMBY's.

That's about it for the mo.


 


Time to move forward together.

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jeeagles Flag 04 Feb 16 6.59pm

Originally posted by Stuk

You can't just build ad infinitum.

If immigration is a red herring for a housing shortage why is there a shortage of school places too? As far as I'm aware no one is buying to let schools.

You're right, but the housing crisis is heavily centred around the south-east. There is plenty of land across the United Kingdom. We just need the infrastructure to rebalanced the demand. Schools form part of the infrastructure.

We need to stop a minority of nimby's stopping improvements for everyone. Particularly people in the country with lots of land. Looks at Heathrow, HS2, franking, wind farm opposition. Most schemes fail to get off the ground, then it takes ages to get them to construction and we end up doing a piecemeal job (ever seen the original London Orbital Motorway plans?)

Again, like houses schools have been massively under invested in for decades, which the exception of Labour's schools for the future campaign.

A final thought. There is a huge shortage of Engineers and skilled tradesmen. So if we were going to build these extra houses. We either have to wait 25 years to train up more, or employ more immigrants.

 

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Wilesy01 Flag Bristol 04 Feb 16 7.01pm Send a Private Message to Wilesy01 Add Wilesy01 as a friend

Picking up the keys to my flat on Monday. The buying process has been god awful thanks to spivvy estate agents, incompetent solicitors and the particularly nasty seller who owns a number of other properties. They get away with it as unfortunately the Bristol market is saturated with buyers at the moment.

We've paid considerably over asking price and put down a very big deposit so we could get an okay mortgage.

The whole industry needs to be totally reformed and much more regulated so first time buyers can have some confidence in what theyre getting into.

 

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