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 dannyh  wherever I lay my hat....... 13 Jan 16 12.26pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Jan 2016 10.22am
I'm a firm believer that certain functions of state belong entirely in the auspices and funding of the state. Something like the Olympics had ridiculous security contracts that simply overloaded the security systems (like vetting) by making absurd requirements on staff by government, which it just happens to charge for. In reality, the expectations placed on G4S for the Olympics were unachievable by anyone, but it allows the government a paid scapegoat that isn't a minister, and G4S is quite happy with this arrangement. In return they profit very nicely from an arrangement that essentially absolves the state of blame.
If Cameron ever wanted to turn a staunch conservative away from the party he's doing a sterling job. Blokes a c*** as are most if not all of his ministers.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Jan 16 12.42pm |
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Quote dannyh at 13 Jan 2016 12.26pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Jan 2016 10.22am
I'm a firm believer that certain functions of state belong entirely in the auspices and funding of the state. Something like the Olympics had ridiculous security contracts that simply overloaded the security systems (like vetting) by making absurd requirements on staff by government, which it just happens to charge for. In reality, the expectations placed on G4S for the Olympics were unachievable by anyone, but it allows the government a paid scapegoat that isn't a minister, and G4S is quite happy with this arrangement. In return they profit very nicely from an arrangement that essentially absolves the state of blame.
If Cameron ever wanted to turn a staunch conservative away from the party he's doing a sterling job. Blokes a c*** as are most if not all of his ministers. Pretty much. The army, and police, have been repeatedly taken up the brown canal because they don't have the capacity for industrial action, and 'the management' (senior officers) have a fairly cushy deal or number when it comes to third party contractors. But the rank and file in the military are being continually hammered, previously by labour and now by the conservatives - and the reason is simple, they have no come back.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 13 Jan 16 1.09pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 13 Jan 2016 9.20am
How the bloody hell do companies like this keep getting contracts?
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 13 Jan 16 1.48pm |
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Welcome to the reality of outsourced Britain. "Lessoons learned, blah blah blah". No material comeback to the contract provider (G4S in this case) and not something to whip up a media frenzy about as outsourcing = good. Would the reporting differ if this was a council-run establishment in, say, Doncaster? You betcha.
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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The Sash  Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 13 Jan 16 2.59pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Jan 2016 12.02pm
Quote Murray's the man at 13 Jan 2016 10.27am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Jan 2016 10.22am
I'm a firm believer that certain functions of state belong entirely in the auspices and funding of the state. Something like the Olympics had ridiculous security contracts that simply overloaded the security systems (like vetting) by making absurd requirements on staff by government, which it just happens to charge for. In reality, the expectations placed on G4S for the Olympics were unachievable by anyone, but it allows the government a paid scapegoat that isn't a minister, and G4S is quite happy with this arrangement. In return they profit very nicely from an arrangement that essentially absolves the state of blame.
Problem of the Olympics was that even the people working in the hotdog stalls needed to be security cleared... The system of clearance just isn't capable of coping with that level of pressure. It takes several weeks when there is just a normal level of requests. But yeah the Olympics employed 'security and stewards' on a scale that would make football look tame. Most whom were just average Joes given a day or twos instruction. I worked on the Olympics in conjunction with the Met - you wont believe how many people didn't get full clearance - from coach drivers to cleaners. The volume of 'extra' people required overloaded the vetting system I have also worked for G4S in the past - I could tell some stories
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| The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 13 Jan 16 3.03pm |
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Quote Cucking Funt at 13 Jan 2016 1.09pm
Quote nickgusset at 13 Jan 2016 9.20am
How the bloody hell do companies like this keep getting contracts?
We need a return to the good old days
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| Mr Palaceman 13 Jan 16 3.08pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 13 Jan 2016 9.20am
How the bloody hell do companies like this keep getting contracts?
If I remember correctly, G4S have the largest private army in the world.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Jan 16 4.15pm |
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Quote The Sash at 13 Jan 2016 3.03pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 13 Jan 2016 1.09pm
Quote nickgusset at 13 Jan 2016 9.20am
How the bloody hell do companies like this keep getting contracts?
We need a return to the good old days
Scum.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 13 Jan 16 4.20pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 13 Jan 2016 11.56am
Blair favoured Capita and I guess Cameron likes G4S. I don't know if it is the PM's preference but the Civil Service does tend to contract with ex-civil service and it is damned hard to get on a preferred provider list. Recollecting my expriences with Capita at the time, is that Public Services initially contract with them, and when the business came up for retender it goes somewhere else to get the mess fixed.
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| Stuk Top half 13 Jan 16 4.31pm |
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Quote pefwin at 13 Jan 2016 4.20pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 13 Jan 2016 11.56am
Blair favoured Capita and I guess Cameron likes G4S. I don't know if it is the PM's preference but the Civil Service does tend to contract with ex-civil service and it is damned hard to get on a preferred provider list. Recollecting my expriences with Capita at the time, is that Public Services initially contract with them, and when the business came up for retender it goes somewhere else to get the mess fixed.
Yep. Serco was sandwiched between those two.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Jan 16 4.45pm |
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Quote pefwin at 13 Jan 2016 4.20pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 13 Jan 2016 11.56am
Blair favoured Capita and I guess Cameron likes G4S. I don't know if it is the PM's preference but the Civil Service does tend to contract with ex-civil service and it is damned hard to get on a preferred provider list. Recollecting my expriences with Capita at the time, is that Public Services initially contract with them, and when the business came up for retender it goes somewhere else to get the mess fixed.
Usually companies get on the list by hiring a number of ex-civil servants and ministers.
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| Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 13 Jan 16 5.00pm |
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Quote Stuk at 13 Jan 2016 4.31pm
Quote pefwin at 13 Jan 2016 4.20pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 13 Jan 2016 11.56am
Blair favoured Capita and I guess Cameron likes G4S. I don't know if it is the PM's preference but the Civil Service does tend to contract with ex-civil service and it is damned hard to get on a preferred provider list. Recollecting my expriences with Capita at the time, is that Public Services initially contract with them, and when the business came up for retender it goes somewhere else to get the mess fixed.
Yep. Serco was sandwiched between those two.
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