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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 14 Aug 15 8.30pm |
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Quote legaleagle at 14 Aug 2015 8.23pm
According to the BMA: "Recent research suggests that people coming from overseas to receive healthcare in the UK actually provide valuable revenue for the NHS. A study by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and University of York5 shows that in 2010-11,18 NHS trusts made £43 million in combined income from overseas visitors paying for their treatment. In this 12 month period, 52,000 people who entered the UK declared that seeking healthcare was the primary reason for their visit. By contrast, the Government’s latest research estimates that the number of people coming to the UK for free healthcare is currently between 5,000-20,000 per year. By this measure, the number paying for treatment is more than double that receiving it free, meaning that the NHS is very likely to be making a net profit from treating non-UK patients." According to the BBC: NHS "health tourism" includes "students, workers on visas, tourists, immigrants, expats popping back to see their old GP and yes "health tourists". There are arrangements to reclaim those costs from countries in the European Economic Area and from countries like Australia and New Zealand".
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| legaleagle 14 Aug 15 8.32pm |
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Its time you stopped being so naive and realised everything and anything is the fault of foreigners,including the fact its rained this week and I got caught out without an umbrella. Edited by legaleagle (14 Aug 2015 8.39pm)
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 14 Aug 15 8.57pm |
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Quote legaleagle at 14 Aug 2015 8.23pm
According to the BMA: "Recent research suggests that people coming from overseas to receive healthcare in the UK actually provide valuable revenue for the NHS. A study by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and University of York5 shows that in 2010-11,18 NHS trusts made £43 million in combined income from overseas visitors paying for their treatment. In this 12 month period, 52,000 people who entered the UK declared that seeking healthcare was the primary reason for their visit. By contrast, the Government’s latest research estimates that the number of people coming to the UK for free healthcare is currently between 5,000-20,000 per year. By this measure, the number paying for treatment is more than double that receiving it free, meaning that the NHS is very likely to be making a net profit from treating non-UK patients." According to the BBC: NHS "health tourism" includes "students, workers on visas, tourists, immigrants, expats popping back to see their old GP and yes "health tourists". There are arrangements to reclaim those costs from countries in the European Economic Area and from countries like Australia and New Zealand". Errr, well shouldn't we be taking the money form the paying customers and telling those trying to get it for free to bugger off? Then the NHS will be making a bigger profit. (PS: amazed at a Nick/Legal spat!)
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| legaleagle 14 Aug 15 9.19pm |
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Um,Nick and I weren't having a spat The point perhaps being in my post you responded to that the so called "major problem" of "health tourism" isn't a "major issue" facing the country and a goodly proportion of what's called "health tourism" isn't. In 2010,"health tourists" spent an estimated £219m on hotels, restaurants, shopping and transport in the UK. Things like not taking greater steps to discourage smoking and drug abuse,and cuts to social services are a far far greater "drain" on the NHS then "health tourism". The Department of Health estimated that Austria’s health service spent 43 times more on treating British travellers than the NHS did on those from Austria. Germany, which is visited by 2 million Brits every year, had to pay 34 times more than the NHS – £22m compared to £643,000. It interesting that the OP in their support for the NHS only singles out something involving foreigners for a thread.
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.We were sympatico| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Aug 15 9.21pm |
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Quote legaleagle at 14 Aug 2015 9.19pm
Um,Nick and I weren't having a spat The point perhaps being in my post you responded to that the so called "major problem" of "health tourism" isn't a "major issue" facing the country and a goodly proportion of what's called "health tourism" isn't. In 2010,"health tourists" spent an estimated £219m on hotels, restaurants, shopping and transport in the UK. Things like not taking greater steps to discourage smoking and drug abuse,and cuts to social services are a far far greater "drain" on the NHS then "health tourism". The Department of Health estimated that Austria’s health service spent 43 times more on treating British travellers than the NHS did on those from Austria. Germany, which is visited by 2 million Brits every year, had to pay 34 times more than the NHS – £22m compared to £643,000. It interesting that the OP in their support for the NHS only singles out something involving foreigners for a thread.
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 PalazioVecchio  south pole 14 Aug 15 9.44pm |
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and please do not quote the BBC in this thread. They are already a busted flush and have lots all credibility
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| elgrande bedford 14 Aug 15 9.47pm |
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Quote legaleagle at 14 Aug 2015 8.23pm
According to the BMA: "Recent research suggests that people coming from overseas to receive healthcare in the UK actually provide valuable revenue for the NHS. A study by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and University of York5 shows that in 2010-11,18 NHS trusts made £43 million in combined income from overseas visitors paying for their treatment. In this 12 month period, 52,000 people who entered the UK declared that seeking healthcare was the primary reason for their visit. By contrast, the Government’s latest research estimates that the number of people coming to the UK for free healthcare is currently between 5,000-20,000 per year. By this measure, the number paying for treatment is more than double that receiving it free, meaning that the NHS is very likely to be making a net profit from treating non-UK patients." According to the BBC: NHS "health tourism" includes "students, workers on visas, tourists, immigrants, expats popping back to see their old GP and yes "health tourists". There are arrangements to reclaim those costs from countries in the European Economic Area and from countries like Australia and New Zealand".
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| OldFella London 14 Aug 15 9.51pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 14 Aug 2015 7.23pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 14 Aug 2015 6.29pm
You know Nick, I want the NHS to stay a public institution. But I would like it run efficiently and for the benefit of British people. Some peripheral areas perhaps could be farmed out to private facilities. It should stop being regarded as a totally sacred cow with any change being resisted and with the answer to any problem being throw more money at it.
Rightly or wrongly, being a nurse involves getting a degree, which in turn equals fees and student loans. Many people don't want such a debt burden, especially if they want a house too.
And you're a teacher .... heaven help us....you are not even literate
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Aug 15 9.55pm |
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Quote OldFella at 14 Aug 2015 9.51pm
Quote nickgusset at 14 Aug 2015 7.23pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 14 Aug 2015 6.29pm
You know Nick, I want the NHS to stay a public institution. But I would like it run efficiently and for the benefit of British people. Some peripheral areas perhaps could be farmed out to private facilities. It should stop being regarded as a totally sacred cow with any change being resisted and with the answer to any problem being throw more money at it.
Rightly or wrongly, being a nurse involves getting a degree, which in turn equals fees and student loans. Many people don't want such a debt burden, especially if they want a house too.
And you're a teacher .... heaven help us....you are not even literate
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| legaleagle 14 Aug 15 10.03pm |
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Quote elgrande at 14 Aug 2015 9.47pm
Quote legaleagle at 14 Aug 2015 8.23pm
According to the BMA: "Recent research suggests that people coming from overseas to receive healthcare in the UK actually provide valuable revenue for the NHS. A study by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and University of York5 shows that in 2010-11,18 NHS trusts made £43 million in combined income from overseas visitors paying for their treatment. In this 12 month period, 52,000 people who entered the UK declared that seeking healthcare was the primary reason for their visit. By contrast, the Government’s latest research estimates that the number of people coming to the UK for free healthcare is currently between 5,000-20,000 per year. By this measure, the number paying for treatment is more than double that receiving it free, meaning that the NHS is very likely to be making a net profit from treating non-UK patients." According to the BBC: NHS "health tourism" includes "students, workers on visas, tourists, immigrants, expats popping back to see their old GP and yes "health tourists". There are arrangements to reclaim those costs from countries in the European Economic Area and from countries like Australia and New Zealand".
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| legaleagle 14 Aug 15 10.06pm |
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Quote PalazioVecchio at 14 Aug 2015 9.44pm
and please do not quote the BBC in this thread. They are already a busted flush and have lots all credibility
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 14 Aug 15 10.43pm |
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Quote legaleagle at 14 Aug 2015 9.19pm
Um,Nick and I weren't having a spat The point perhaps being in my post you responded to that the so called "major problem" of "health tourism" isn't a "major issue" facing the country and a goodly proportion of what's called "health tourism" isn't. In 2010,"health tourists" spent an estimated £219m on hotels, restaurants, shopping and transport in the UK. Things like not taking greater steps to discourage smoking and drug abuse,and cuts to social services are a far far greater "drain" on the NHS then "health tourism". The Department of Health estimated that Austria’s health service spent 43 times more on treating British travellers than the NHS did on those from Austria. Germany, which is visited by 2 million Brits every year, had to pay 34 times more than the NHS – £22m compared to £643,000. It interesting that the OP in their support for the NHS only singles out something involving foreigners for a thread. Edited by legaleagle (14 Aug 2015 9.20pm) Dear oh dear, the cuttlefish-ink is certainly spurting. The government put the cost of health tourism at around £2 billion a year. But that is almost certainly a huge underestimate as many parts of the NHS refuse to even check for eligibility - in case the likes of legal call them racists and fascists no doubt.
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