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 nairb75  Baltimore 22 Jun 15 2.14pm |
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Quote Qatarhorse at 22 Jun 2015 1.17pm
They have exit visas to stop people leaving the country who have debt (car loans, accommodation, speeding fines, etc.) as when the financial crisis hit in places like Qatar and more so UAE expats left owing banks millions, which ultimately the government's stumped up for. If you have no issues surrounding your person you can leave the country freely as I do on a multiple exit permit renewed yearly. If I suddenly stopped turning up for work, didn't pay my car loan to the bank every month, had lots of unpaid speeding fines and tried to leave the country, one of the above would probably have contacted immigration and ask that I not be allowed to leave the country - I see no issue with this. All expats know what we are signing up to and the laws of the land and if you adhere to them then you will never have a problem. If you are a primadonna footballer who is used to doing what they want and don't respect the Contract you have signed up to and have been ill advised then don't start crying when your employer refuses to let you leave the Contract and holds you to the conditions of your Contract. that's a debtor's prison. banks shouldn't make loans to people can't pay them back. that's THEIR problem, has nothing to do with the government. so now the person is stuck in qatar and perhpas can't work. so now their family back home has to bail them out. and the people coming there, are getting smuggled in, so you know they, and no one back home, has $$. so the person is rotting in the desert for speeing fines. yeah, that's fair.
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maddog  Wiltshire 22 Jun 15 2.15pm |
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Quote turbohorsebox at 22 Jun 2015 1.14pm
Quote Proper_Gander at 22 Jun 2015 10.50am
The only way to hurt FIFA and Qatar22 is to go through their sponsors. They pay massive amounts of money to sponsor the tournament, and if their sponsorship results in bad press or lower sales through boycott, they will put pressure on FIFA (they already are tbf) and maybe even withdraw money. So, an actual large scale boycotting campaign over social media might actually do something, it's the only thing we as consumers can do. Put our money where our mouth is. Sponsors are: All very easy to avoid. Too easy to avoid really - I already avoid them all except VISA. And boycotting that would mean changing my bank as they only do a VISA debit card. Sponsorship doesn't work like that. It's not that direct. These companies spend millions to make you associate their brand with all that is good and wholesome. It's a subtle, gradual and sub-concious process. It's not about what you think of their product - it's about what you think other people think of the brand. So you just need to make it clear that the money that they spend on FIFA WC2022 is, at best wasted, at worst damaging their brand. These companies need to realise that their sponsorship of WC2022 associates their brand with slavery, physical and mental abuse, death, disease, starvation. You can help do this by sharing the anti-logos, signing the many petitions, deciding not to watch WC2022.
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| Stuk Top half 22 Jun 15 2.27pm |
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Quote nairb75 at 22 Jun 2015 2.14pm
Quote Qatarhorse at 22 Jun 2015 1.17pm
They have exit visas to stop people leaving the country who have debt (car loans, accommodation, speeding fines, etc.) as when the financial crisis hit in places like Qatar and more so UAE expats left owing banks millions, which ultimately the government's stumped up for. If you have no issues surrounding your person you can leave the country freely as I do on a multiple exit permit renewed yearly. If I suddenly stopped turning up for work, didn't pay my car loan to the bank every month, had lots of unpaid speeding fines and tried to leave the country, one of the above would probably have contacted immigration and ask that I not be allowed to leave the country - I see no issue with this. All expats know what we are signing up to and the laws of the land and if you adhere to them then you will never have a problem. If you are a primadonna footballer who is used to doing what they want and don't respect the Contract you have signed up to and have been ill advised then don't start crying when your employer refuses to let you leave the Contract and holds you to the conditions of your Contract. that's a debtor's prison. banks shouldn't make loans to people can't pay them back. that's THEIR problem, has nothing to do with the government. so now the person is stuck in qatar and perhpas can't work. so now their family back home has to bail them out. and the people coming there, are getting smuggled in, so you know they, and no one back home, has $$. so the person is rotting in the desert for speeing fines. yeah, that's fair. and isn't at all open to abuse either? I mean who are they going to believe in a case of Qatari employer/institute v foreign employee/citizen.
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| twist Miami, Florida 24 Jun 15 3.27pm |
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Quote Qatarhorse at 22 Jun 2015 1.17pm
They have exit visas to stop people leaving the country who have debt (car loans, accommodation, speeding fines, etc.) as when the financial crisis hit in places like Qatar and more so UAE expats left owing banks millions, which ultimately the government's stumped up for. If you have no issues surrounding your person you can leave the country freely as I do on a multiple exit permit renewed yearly. If I suddenly stopped turning up for work, didn't pay my car loan to the bank every month, had lots of unpaid speeding fines and tried to leave the country, one of the above would probably have contacted immigration and ask that I not be allowed to leave the country - I see no issue with this. All expats know what we are signing up to and the laws of the land and if you adhere to them then you will never have a problem. If you are a primadonna footballer who is used to doing what they want and don't respect the Contract you have signed up to and have been ill advised then don't start crying when your employer refuses to let you leave the Contract and holds you to the conditions of your Contract. You seem to be justifying Qatar refusing a foreign nationals right to leave the country purely on the fact that the individual did not complete a work contract.
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| Ray in Houston Houston 24 Jun 15 3.42pm |
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Quote maddog at 22 Jun 2015 2.15pm
You can help do this by sharing the anti-logos, signing the many petitions, deciding not to watch WC2022.
* As someone living in the U.S., I am fully aware of the irony of this statement.
We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football. |
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| 20 Spaces Isnt Enoug Bolton 24 Jun 15 5.36pm |
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Quote turbohorsebox at 22 Jun 2015 1.14pm
Quote Proper_Gander at 22 Jun 2015 10.50am
The only way to hurt FIFA and Qatar22 is to go through their sponsors. They pay massive amounts of money to sponsor the tournament, and if their sponsorship results in bad press or lower sales through boycott, they will put pressure on FIFA (they already are tbf) and maybe even withdraw money. So, an actual large scale boycotting campaign over social media might actually do something, it's the only thing we as consumers can do. Put our money where our mouth is. Sponsors are: All very easy to avoid. Too easy to avoid really - I already avoid them all except VISA. And boycotting that would mean changing my bank as they only do a VISA debit card. This is laudable, but is only worthwhile if you contact the companies and tell them.
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| norwoodyguthrie 28 Jun 15 5.27pm |
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The 400 deaths figure in Qatar is made up. It is based on the death rates of Indians and Bangladeshis in Qatar of all causes. Everyone seems to be quoting it, but it's total guesswork. This article below spells out how the figure came to be bandied around:
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| bexleydave Barnehurst 28 Jun 15 6.15pm |
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That's just what the migrant workers need; the BBC and you as apologists for Qatar's human rights record Edited by bexleydave (28 Jun 2015 6.17pm)
Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum) |
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| BritofQatar Manchester 28 Jun 15 6.57pm |
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Qatar horse I actually joined the site as your comments have annoyed me a Lot. I've been in Qatar for the past 5 years also in construction And can say you are a Billy bullsh*tter, you can't come on here defending anything Qatar has done to Date! 1. You say you work for a British company does that mean you are on an English overseas contract? (You probably signed a waiver on the Qatar contract which states your uk contract takes precedent). not everyone has this privilege as the Qatar contract is so onerous sometimes stating you must work a minimum or 2-4 years depending how lucky you are even then when you finish your sentence you have to acquire an NOC from the employer which states you can leave the company/country to return home...had a few friends over the years unable to leave with this little beauty in the Way! Sounds like a great place so Far! 2. IN now way does everyone get a multi exit visa not even all westerners get one of those gifts, the majority of the expat work force require exit permits to leave the country for a holiday and to leave all together irrelevant of any loans etc acquired over the length of your stay. 3. First hand experience I've seen untold cover ups on deaths on Hamad airport, bodies dragged out of the site boundary and then reported so it looks as if the worker died outside of the site which in turn keeps that beauty of a number of deaths at you guessed it 0! Majority of deaths on sites are from heat exhaustion and a few heat rage incidents which are then covered up to say the labourer had a heart defect (at say 24 years old) hard to believe when everyone that comes into this country has to have a medical and if such a defect come up couldn't see them giving them a job out on site.... Gotta say you've proper passed me off with This! The wonderful kafala system in place to own us will never change trust me they've been talking about this for 6 years now, it's drivel to look like they are doing something. You probably guessed I hate this s*** hole but unfortunately sold my soul to the wage they throw at westerners which is double standards given that anyone who isn't white or arabic gets about £100 a month to work on site and to live in s*** workers accommodation and trust me they are s*** 90% of them the other 10% are the Lucky few.... Hopefully I don't meet you while you are over here Lol joking, if your up for watching palace matches when the season starts would be good to know another palace fan in a bar as I was the only guy to watch the playoff final a few year back!
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